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http://s333.org/s333.project.1168.Houston1.html

Anyone read about this or have any information?
post #2 of 12
I like the apartments built on top. Who'd have thought 'ski-in ski-out' would come to Houston?
post #3 of 12
HUhhh?

If you are living in South Texas and you want to ski then move or buy a boat and get wet.....don't build an energy wasting indoor ski hill.
post #4 of 12
This is a nice dream, but given the current economy and such here in Houston, this plan won't last as long as a snowball on a sidewalk in July!

If anything, it might have been a design project which was never intended to be built. For there is NOT the skier base necessary in HOU to create the need or demand for this type of facility.

I hope the designer got a good grade for the idea, though!
post #5 of 12
It is nothing but a pissing contest between the Houston oilmen and the Dubai oilmen. Who do you think will win that one?
post #6 of 12
The Houston oilmen are taking it in the shorts right now.

Just recently, one of our aircraft owners had to sell his G-III at wholesale, and cancel his order for a brand new G-450 (50M aircraft). His company was purely in oil.

And this guy WAS on the Forbes 400..... Many have dropped off the list in the past couple of months!

The UAE/SA/Kuwaiti based aspects of OPEC will continue to control the oil prices.

What is ironic is that the US has greater oil reserves than the Middle East, but since we do not EXPORT any of it, we are not a member of OPEC.

To answer your question.... The Middle Eastern oil guys win!
post #7 of 12
Sorry for the pushing back on topic I wish there were some indoor ski hills throughout the country just because I might use one twice a year at best. I dig the whole outdoor mountain experience that comes along with skiing. But, I'd certainly take the kids for never ever lessons and to try out new gear over the summer. However, if most skiers feel like I do then it probably isn't a good money making venture. Skateparks also won't seem to be able to stay viable around here lately.

Anybody care to speculate as to whether indoor ski hills wold make money here in the states be it a non skiing market year round or a skiing market in the summers?
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Originally Posted by vail snopro View Post
What is ironic is that the US has greater oil reserves than the Middle East, but since we do not EXPORT any of it, we are not a member of OPEC.
Huh???? How do you figure that?

The U.S. isn't even in the ballpark. It ranks either 11th or 14th (depending on who you believe) in oil reserves (21.4 billion barrels) compared to...
#1 Saudi Arabia (264.3 billion barrels)
#2 Canada (178.8 billion barrels)

Canada and Saudi Arabia combined, represent close to 35% of the world's reserves. Throw in Iran and Iraq and those four represent over half the world's reserves.

The facts:
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0872964.html
https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2178rank.html
post #9 of 12
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Originally Posted by exracer View Post
Huh???? How do you figure that?

The U.S. isn't even in the ballpark. It ranks either 11th or 14th (depending on who you believe) in oil reserves (21.4 billion barrels) compared to...
#1 Saudi Arabia (264.3 billion barrels)
#2 Canada (178.8 billion barrels)

Canada and Saudi Arabia combined, represent close to 35% of the world's reserves. Throw in Iran and Iraq and those four represent over half the world's reserves.

The facts:
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0872964.html
https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2178rank.html

The previous poster is indeed CORRECT. Although you provided some great links and are in fact correct when it comes to CRUDE oil. The numbers however are a little outdated. The previous poster is indeed correct in that the US has the largest Oil reserves in the world. However, it is in the form of oil shale and mining it is currently not underway as the refining cost ($60 US per barrel) is remarkably high.

"While oil shale is found in many places worldwide, by far the largest deposits in the world are found in the United States in the Green River Formation, which covers portions of Colorado, Utah, and Wyoming. Estimates of the oil resource in place within the Green River Formation range from 1.2 to 1.8 Trillion barrels. Not all resources in place are recoverable; however, even a moderate estimate of 800 billion barrels of recoverable oil from oil shale in the Green River Formation is three times greater than the proven oil reserves of Saudi Arabia."

See the Bureau of Land Management's EIS (Environmental Impact Statement) for more information: here

How do they get the oil from it?

Basically there is a chemical decomposition process involved (pyrolysis) that converts a mixture of organic chemical compounds (kerogen) in the oil shale into a synthetic crude oil (think Canadian tar sands)

Below is the area where the Oil shale is found.


post #10 of 12
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Originally Posted by Blizzboy283 View Post
The previous poster is indeed CORRECT. Although you provided some great links and are in fact correct when it comes to CRUDE oil. The numbers however are a little outdated. The previous poster is indeed correct in that the US has the largest Oil reserves in the world. However, it is in the form of oil shale and mining it is currently not underway as the refining cost ($60 US per barrel) is remarkably high.
So at this point it's 'air'. No mention is made of it in 2008 reports from the U.S. Energy Information Administration, which only counts reserves that are proved and either under development or able to be developed. This INCLUDES oil sands reserves.
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post
Sorry for the pushing back on topic I wish there were some indoor ski hills throughout the country just because I might use one twice a year at best. I dig the whole outdoor mountain experience that comes along with skiing. But, I'd certainly take the kids for never ever lessons and to try out new gear over the summer. However, if most skiers feel like I do then it probably isn't a good money making venture. Skateparks also won't seem to be able to stay viable around here lately.

Anybody care to speculate as to whether indoor ski hills wold make money here in the states be it a non skiing market year round or a skiing market in the summers?
Xanadu in the NJ Meadowlands

It is supposed to open some time next year, way behind schedule and way over budget. Since it is in one of the most densely populated areas of the world it will probably succeed, eventually, maybe.
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Originally Posted by exracer View Post
So at this point it's 'air'. No mention is made of it in 2008 reports from the U.S. Energy Information Administration, which only counts reserves that are proved and either under development or able to be developed. This INCLUDES oil sands reserves.
It is as much 'air' as your oil sands are. The US doesn't produce any oil from its roughly 32 BILLION barrel supply of oil sands in Eastern Utah because it still isn't economically viable. Nearly half (47%) of Canada's oil production is from the oil sands. So any estimates that include the UT oil sands and Green River oil shale trump any other oil reserves in the world several times over.

Believe me, I'm happy that we aren't producing any of that oil. If that comes anytime in the near future it is because oil prices shot through the roof again. I have no problem buying oil from our friendly neighbors to the north but just realize then if it becomes economically viable the US has by FAR the largest oil reserves on the planet.
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