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Who has the better ski school, Whitetail or Liberty in Pennsylvania? For those of you who are ski instructors at either one, why would you and would you not want to work there.
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Originally Posted by snoman8888 View Post
Who has the better ski school, Whitetail or Liberty in Pennsylvania? For those of you who are ski instructors at either one, why would you and would you not want to work there.
Speaking as someone who has taken lessons with both ski schools, I've had great experiences at both. For what it's worth though, I think the longer slopes plus the high speed quad at Whitetail give you a little more to work with.
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I work at Whitetail, but I'm also a marketing rep for all 3 Sonwtime mountains (Whitetail, Liberty and Roundtop). "Better" will vary based on what is important to you. I chose Whitetail because I enjoyed the terrain.

If you're considering joining a school, I'll be glad to discuss particulars with you offline (send me a PM with a phone# or you can call me). Whitetail's ITC starts 11/15. You'll need to decide quick.
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I would choose the one closest to you.
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Who has the better ski school, Whitetail or Liberty in Pennsylvania? For those of you who are ski instructors at either one, why would you and would you not want to work there.
Hi Snoman,

I worked at Whitetail with Rusty and will say only good things about the folks I worked with. However, I would suggest Liberty for overall skill level, certification level and size of school. The amount of training at Liberty is higher, the enthusiasm for training is higher and the number of folks on the educational staff is higher. The ed staff is the group that trains across the region and helps to keep a consistent message amongst those being trained.

I enjoyed my time at Whitetail, but the number of high level folks there has decreased over the last 10 years. There are still many highly qualified instructors and trainers there, but Liberty has more.
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Sort of on topic....

I've signed up for the ITC @ Whitetail this summer (indoor lesson on the sixteenth). What can I expect from the indoor and outdoor lessons? Also, how is being an instructor at Whitetail in general? This will be the the first season where I could (potentially) be an instructor - I'm looking to hone my skiing while having some fun

Thanks,
Rob
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Hi Rob and welcome to the Whitetail family!

In the indoor session we will cover team building, learning styles, teaching styles, teaching kids, teaching a level 1 lesson and a tour of the area with a teaching focus.

In the outdoor session we will cover teaching beginners and personal skiing/riding improvement with a focus on the skiing/riding models of PSIA/AASI.

We strive to have fun in every ITC both indoors and out. At the end of the ITC you will have been given a lot of nuts and bolts about what to teach and how to teach. If you receive an offer to join the staff (most do, but not everyone), you will be given additional training to get practice assembling the nuts and bolts through additional on snow clinics and shadowing lessons taught by other instructors. In your first season you will be teaching mostly beginners (even as a senior instructor 75% of students are green level). As you gain more skills and the supervisors get to know you better, you will be given more challenging teaching assignments.

Most of the pros on staff are looking to hone their skiing/riding while having fun (some do "ski for food" while having fun). We always do a lot of training at the beginning of the season. There will be additional training opportunities every week of the season. If you have a passion for the sport and get enjoyment from developing that passion in others, you will definitely have fun at Whitetail. Most who try teaching simply as a way to earn free skiing will get burned out. Teaching is hard work. Without the passion, the free skiing and free training are not worth it. Ideally, we will have enough pros and enough students to allow those that want to ski for food to work as much as they like and those want to ski for fun and learning to have enough time away from lessons and enough trainers available. Realistically, we will have days when there is not enough work and days when there is too much work.
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for what it's worth i taught for a number of years at roundtop before heading north and loved it there the snowtime family does ski school right that's for sure
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Hi Rob and welcome to the Whitetail family!

In the indoor session we will cover team building, learning styles, teaching styles, teaching kids, teaching a level 1 lesson and a tour of the area with a teaching focus.

In the outdoor session we will cover teaching beginners and personal skiing/riding improvement with a focus on the skiing/riding models of PSIA/AASI.

We strive to have fun in every ITC both indoors and out. At the end of the ITC you will have been given a lot of nuts and bolts about what to teach and how to teach. If you receive an offer to join the staff (most do, but not everyone), you will be given additional training to get practice assembling the nuts and bolts through additional on snow clinics and shadowing lessons taught by other instructors. In your first season you will be teaching mostly beginners (even as a senior instructor 75% of students are green level). As you gain more skills and the supervisors get to know you better, you will be given more challenging teaching assignments.

Most of the pros on staff are looking to hone their skiing/riding while having fun (some do "ski for food" while having fun). We always do a lot of training at the beginning of the season. There will be additional training opportunities every week of the season. If you have a passion for the sport and get enjoyment from developing that passion in others, you will definitely have fun at Whitetail. Most who try teaching simply as a way to earn free skiing will get burned out. Teaching is hard work. Without the passion, the free skiing and free training are not worth it. Ideally, we will have enough pros and enough students to allow those that want to ski for food to work as much as they like and those want to ski for fun and learning to have enough time away from lessons and enough trainers available. Realistically, we will have days when there is not enough work and days when there is too much work.

Wow! Thanks, that was a very thorough answer. I'm not really "skiing for food" - I'm a college student in the area (Dickinson) so I won't be the kind of person who's able to get out all the time, but I'd hope to be able to get out often. How flexible are teaching hours? Is there ever the opportunity to teach half a day? (as a student and a track athlete, Saturday afternoons and Sundays are the only real good days for me). How forgiving is management about that?


Thanks for the welcome and answer!

-Rob
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Rob,

I did not write down exactly what the "shift" requirements will be but they will explain that in the indoor sessions. We tweak the times we teach lessons and how we assign pros to tasks pretty much every season. Thus the shift requirements also change slightly every season. We made a big effort to recruit students this year and historically we've been pretty accomodating schedule wise. The big thing is to commit to a schedule and actually show up when you committed to.
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Thanks for all the info! Glad to hear that it's intended to be flexible.
Looking forward to this weekend!

-Rob
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Well here's my two cents worth... I work at liberty been there for years. I've met the instructors at Whitetail and they are all good people, well trained and very professional. I for one can't make a call on either resort. I live very close to Liberty, that's why i work there. As professionals we cannot bash or scrutinize our home resorts or anybody else's resort and still call ourselves professional. Have a great day and stay safe. Thank you
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Thanks for all the info! Glad to hear that it's intended to be flexible.
Looking forward to this weekend!

-Rob

Roundtop is closer to Carlisle than Liberty. I prefer the skiing @ RT and it's not nearly as crowded as Liberty. They also have good trainers !

Have a great season !
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