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best cardio machine?

post #1 of 24
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I'm ready to replace a noisy old treadmill. I've been using the treadmill with heavy hands for some time and it seems to work but I'm open to trying something new if it's safer, quieter or provides a better workout. Are there any other cardio machines better exercise or easier on the joints than a treadmill?
post #2 of 24
Elliptical that also has arm movement. Some have more natural range of motion than others, I would imagine the more you pay ther better they are. No impact fast burner. Then there is cycling....which I have a harder time doing in a gym. You can also try a Norditrack for some simulated cross country skiing...good workout as well. I dont know if it gives you a good workout, but a Skiers-edge device might be good as well and will help you get ready for the slopes.
post #3 of 24
Rowing machine.
post #4 of 24
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Originally Posted by ut_hucker View Post
Rowing machine.

The Concept 2 rower wins hands down.
The elliptical is not a natural movement and if I remember correctly there have been studies that show that it will damage your hip socket.
Treadmill,yawn
Bike,no core activation,and ,yawn
With the new PM4 monitors on the C2 rowers there is so much you can do.
post #5 of 24
+1 for both the Concept rower and an elliptical. I have had those and a treadmill and bike trainer. I hate going out to a gym to workout, and I have limited time anyways. i have always looked for way to do it at home in an hour to hour and a half.

I loved running until my knees started to give out - too much impact

I loved the rower but trashed both rotator cuffs doing it and proper form is extremely important when rowing. You can't get lazy with form or you can really screw up your back and shoulders, but an excellent workout. The only one that I would actually get up earlier in the morning to do.

Biking is OK, but it is me boring to me than the others and uncomfortable. I also think that it expends the least energy per unit time. I am just about ready to slit my wrists at anything over an hour on it.

That leaves me with the elliptical. I think the first thing one has to get over is that it is not a substitute for running. The stride is nowhere the same but it is a good workout. I can go for 60-90 minutes watching TV and burn 1.5 times what I do on the bike. Last night's 70 minute workout was just under 1000cal, according to the machine. There are lots of reviews on the net, and I ended up going with a Smooth CE3.2, sort of a middle of the road, not Walmart but not Precor commercial. It is solid, quiet and one of the longer strides.

As far as the boredom factor, mix it up between different exercises, I go between the bike, elliptical, bosu cardio, and the fitter1 ski machine and have a good supply of movies to watch.
post #6 of 24
On some elliptical machines, if you backpedal without holding on to the grips, you can simulate some of the movement patterns of bump skiing. Obviously the machine requires a pedaling motion, as opposed to the actual skiing motion in which both legs are moving in synch, but the exercise hits the same muscle groups, and backpedaling helps develop the kind of balance that is so critical in the bumps.

This thread (which is one of the best technique threads on Epic, IMHO), illustrates these backpedaling-type movement patterns.
post #7 of 24
You have to be careful on elipticals because some can put your feet into unnatural positions that are harmful to your knees. There's no impact, but the mechanics can still cause damage.
post #8 of 24
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You have to be careful on elipticals because some can put your feet into unnatural positions that are harmful to your knees. There's no impact, but the mechanics can still cause damage.
Agreed. Trying to find a link to the study but I know there have been several done, it's not a safe movement pattern to be doing all the time.

Highly recommend the C2 rowing machine (has to be C2, do not get another brand). Other than that, running outside (hate the feeling treadmills but it is better than not running period). If you experience pain from running and don't have prior injuries you likely have:

1) wrong type of shoe for your boot/stride
2) bad technique (excessive heel striking)
3) bad flexibility (see the foam rolling thread, start working your IT band doing proper dynamic warm-up BEFORE running)
post #9 of 24
anyone tried that one that simulates walking in sand - forget the brand. Looks interesting and non-impact.
post #10 of 24
I've tried one of those Bow-flex dual treadmill things and it was a pretty good workout. I am a runner though, so it really wasn't for me. I like rowing machines and stair climbers also, but for me a treadmill is #1.
post #11 of 24

concept rower

excellent cardio and gets virtually your whole body minus chest.

zerogravivty...could you explain how you hurt your rotator cuff with this machine...........i just cant picture the mechanism


also,the original nordic track is an excellent cardio machine .because many people never got the balance right,you can find them for $50
post #12 of 24
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zerogravivty...could you explain how you hurt your rotator cuff with this machine...........i just cant picture the mechanism
I have chronic issues with my upper back muscles to start with, but I neglected form by too much pulling with the back and shoulders rather than press with the legs and finish the arms, I was also probably dropping my arms too low. In the end it just cooked my shoulder joints, and simply wasn't the right exercise mechanism for me.
post #13 of 24
I was always surprised comapring the calorie burn of an elliptical workout (same time) to a stationary bike. I'd come off the bike soaking wet and the same time on the elliptical burned close to a couple hundred more calories more and feel like I didn't work as hard.
post #14 of 24
My new gym doesn't have them, but I liked the old stepper/stair-climbers. I'm now a fan of the ellipicals with hill-climbing programs you can vary by intensity, speed, etc. Bikes bore me and treadmills can be hard on my ankles and knee.

Having just helped UL push his old Saturn across gravel uphill and into our garage, and then running around the yard with our dog playing tug of war and fetch has me thinking these gym machines have nothing on good old-fashion hard outdoor work!
post #15 of 24
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Having just helped UL push his old Saturn across gravel uphill and into our garage, and then running around the yard with our dog playing tug of war and fetch has me thinking these gym machines have nothing on good old-fashion hard outdoor work!
That is more correct than you know.
Main stream "fitness" still has people focusing on aerobic pathways instead of high intensity anaerobic pathways,where most sports are done .
Working high int.anaerobic pathways also increases your aerobic capacity just as well if not better than just working aerobically
post #16 of 24
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I was always surprised comapring the calorie burn of an elliptical workout (same time) to a stationary bike. I'd come off the bike soaking wet and the same time on the elliptical burned close to a couple hundred more calories more and feel like I didn't work as hard.
Me too thats why my cardio is now almost exclusively the elliptical. Once in a while Ill sit on the recumbent stationary bike just to change things up and reduce the chance of injury from too much repetitive motion; something that was occuring to me when I used to use the Stairmaster. At my gym they have 4 or 5 different types of elliptical machines so I also alternate between them since each one has a slightly different ROM.
post #17 of 24
You should try doing Tabata rowing. Look it up on google or youtube. It is an interval training, 20s on 10s rest X 8 sets. That is a great way to increase your VO2 for skiing.
post #18 of 24
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I was always surprised comapring the calorie burn of an elliptical workout (same time) to a stationary bike. I'd come off the bike soaking wet and the same time on the elliptical burned close to a couple hundred more calories more and feel like I didn't work as hard.
I always trusted my sweat and pulse rate more than an electronic readout. I think the term "easy workout" is an oxymoron.
post #19 of 24
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You should try doing Tabata rowing. Look it up on google or youtube. It is an interval training, 20s on 10s rest X 8 sets. That is a great way to increase your VO2 for skiing.
or if you have no rower you could try this

Tabata Something Else"
Complete 32 intervals of 20 seconds of work followed by ten seconds of rest where the first 8 intervals are pull-ups, the second 8 are push-ups, the third 8 intervals are sit-ups, and finally, the last 8 intervals are squats. There is no rest between exercises.
Post total reps from all 32 intervals to comments.
post #20 of 24
They have a new machine at my gym called the Cardio Wave. Its sort of like a stairclimber but instead of your feet going up and down they kinda go up and out (laterally), like what you would do to skate. Its brutal. I can use an elliptacel for 1hr, I get on this thing and in 10 minutes I need a break. Serious leg workout and serious cardio workout. Of all the machines that I have tried through out the years, this one preps you for skiing more than any other so far.
post #21 of 24
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or if you have no rower you could try this

Tabata Something Else"
Complete 32 intervals of 20 seconds of work followed by ten seconds of rest where the first 8 intervals are pull-ups, the second 8 are push-ups, the third 8 intervals are sit-ups, and finally, the last 8 intervals are squats. There is no rest between exercises.
Post total reps from all 32 intervals to comments.
That's tough. I just got into some of the Tabata training. It is the best workout that I have done. I haven't done situps with it. I usually stick to compound/olympic movements. Front squats are really tough.
I am going to give this one a shot tomorrow.
post #22 of 24

PRECOR AMT

The best cardio machine ever is the Precor AMT (Adaptive Motion Trainer). Check it out.
http://www.precor.com/pdf/broch/Broch_amt100i_en.pdf
post #23 of 24
Tabata something else. Try it. If you can do a workout for 1 hour sustained it is not intense enough (unless you are training for endurance sports like long distance running/cycling/tri)
post #24 of 24

gotta mix it up and don't forget the other stuff

I basically agree with that. But I'd only add that if your workout contains just intense movements you'll probably not get much flexibility or balanced growth over time.

Not disagreeing it would work, I just think for me, it's too easy to overlook warmup, cooldown and flexibility and you do it at your peril! Never mind form of the exercise movements, that's a whole other thing and crucial to sustained success particularly with intense movements.

Anyway, I count those things in the hour (maybe that's cheatin in some folks minds though

With machines I think it's part of why they don't necessarily give you growth. People get on a machine, do a movement (which the body adapts to) and over time, you lose intensity and growth and change. The nervous system is "smart" for lack of a better term and if you just do the same motion you will plateau. It's almost like a skill - you get efficient and use less energy to perform it.
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