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Please help me replace my 200cm Volkl P9SLs from 1990

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
Hello everyone. I'm new to this forum but have been skiing since I've been 8 years old. Mostly in the NE, with some trips to Colorado. I'm 6-1 225lbs and consider myself a fairly advanced skier.

Back in 1989 I was in college and I joined my school's Ski Team and I competed in GS for several years. I knew when I started I needed new skis and made the investment to get a set of Volkl P9SLs and I've been using them ever since. Those skis could carve through anything. I love the pop they have out of the curves and even though I don't race anymore I still use these skis right up til last season. Unfortunately though I did some minor damage to the base of one ski last year while skiing through an area that had very thin cover. I can probably get them fix, but I'm thinking that spending money on 18 year old skis may not be the smartest thing.

I can still use them and probably will, but I'm thinking it's about time to get myself some boards that are a little more current. My problem is cash, probably just like everyone else. To save a little money I'm thinking of getting a model from 2006-2007 figuring the cost would be a little less. Obviously this puts me into getting something used. I'm going to reduce the size from 200cm to 170-180cm to make them a little easier to turn. I'm mostly going to use these on some steeps and cruisers. Not a moguls type guy, but I would like to do some experimenting with going off trail that I just couldn't do with my Volkls.

So, going with these parameters can someone recommend a decent ski that I should be on the lookout for? Something that will have the same type of pop my current Volkls have. I haven't put down a price range per say, but suffice it to say I'm not going to be able to afford $1k skis.

Thank you very much for the help!
post #2 of 21
volkl super sport 6 stars would work well, as would a nordica speed machine mach 3 imo.
post #3 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thanks JDoyal. I'll check those out.
post #4 of 21
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I'm mostly going to use these on some steeps and cruisers. Not a moguls type guy, but I would like to do some experimenting with going off trail that I just couldn't do with my Volkls.
The area that I highlighted causes me to suggest a mid-fat. While there are many really good ones, for your conditions and considering your weight, the one that stands out for me is the Nordica Top Fuel. It has all the grip of a near race level carver but on a wider chassis. I would suggest a 178.

SJ
post #5 of 21
Your volkls still have pop after 18 years of use?
post #6 of 21
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Originally Posted by narc View Post
Your volkls still have pop after 18 years of use?
Yep. More then I would of thought. I don't get out as much as I used to but I hit the slopes at least 5-10 times a year over the past couple of years. Before that I was at the mtn any time I could get free if even for a few hours. They must have 100s of days use at this point. More then got my money's worth. I'd love to get another pair of Volkls, but from what I'm seeing the Tiger 10 is the closest match for what I have. They are $1000.

I'm looking for some Star 6 or AllStars, but so far nothing yet. I wonder how well the Dynastar Legend 8000 would compare. Found a set of those with bindings for $200. Have to do some more research first though.
post #7 of 21
ill 2nd the top fuel vote..i had those last year...

race like feel but with a bit more width underfoot. still great on the hardpack and ice...
post #8 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thanks again everyone. I'm reading all kinds of interesting comments on the Top Fuels. It would seem people either love them or hate them. Some of the reviews from people that hate them are a concern for me, but I'm noticing that a lot of those folks seem to be in the 150-180lbs range. Maybe there are to light for the ski. I'll be adding considerably more weight to them at 225, which will probably help them flex on get on edge faster at slower speeds.
post #9 of 21
The TF is a stiff ski,no doubt about it. However, it's not any stiffer than myriads of Volkls that generally get gushy reviews. In some ways the the TF is a better, more sophisticated build than some of those Volkls. If there is an issue with the TF, I'd say that lighter skiers sometimes get it too long. Also the aggressive shape is generally not that great on the feet of a skidder.

For your weight and background....not a problem.

SJ
post #10 of 21
My guess is that you'll find every modern ski quite different than your old P9s. What's the nominal turning radius on those things? Something on the order of 50 meters I'd guess. Most skis todays have a turning radius somewhere in the 15 to 20 meter range, so whatever you get it'll be alot more turny than what you're used to.

If you want a ski with a lot of "pop" and no upper speed limit, and are looking at buying used, I'd say go for the Volkl 6-star or Allstar (basically the same thing in different years.) Or try the 5 star for something more forgiving.

Another possibility is the P9's great-great-great grandson, the P60 - a true race ski and if you got the GS cut (with a ~22 meter sidecut) you might find the transition to modern shaped equipment is easier. The SL cut would probably turn so quickly that you'd be in shock.

And if you are serious about the off-trail stuff, go for the AC3 or AC30 - more damp, so less "pop" but better in the loose stuff.

Good luck. Probably the best advice would be to spend some time demoing.
post #11 of 21
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Originally Posted by Rockrivr1 View Post
I'd love to get another pair of Volkls, but from what I'm seeing the Tiger 10 is the closest match for what I have. They are $1000.
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No. The Tiger 10 is a soft noodly beginner ski.

You're probably thinking about the Tigershark Ten Foot, which is an entirely different model. Good ski, but not for everyone. Do not buy them without trying them first. (I like them, and bought a pair, btw.)

The closest match is probably another race ski, i.e. the Race Tiger, maybe the rec (RC) version.
post #12 of 21
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
The area that I highlighted causes me to suggest a mid-fat. While there are many really good ones, for your conditions and considering your weight, the one that stands out for me is the Nordica Top Fuel. It has all the grip of a near race level carver but on a wider chassis. I would suggest a 178.

SJ
Looking around local I found someone selling a set of 2007 Nordica Top Fuel for $450. The only problem is they are 170s and not 178s. Do you think the 8cm will make them less effective for my build? Does it sounds like a good price?
post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by Rockrivr1 View Post
Looking around local I found someone selling a set of 2007 Nordica Top Fuel for $450. The only problem is they are 170s and not 178s. Do you think the 8cm will make them less effective for my build? Does it sounds like a good price?
If they are new, the price is great. If they are used, it's ok at best. But!.... @ 225# I think the 170 is too short (especially for broken snow in the off trail)

SJ
post #14 of 21
Thread Starter 
Well, after spending the last week searching Ebay and Ski Outlet sites and visiting 8 different ski shops in the area I finally just said screw it and bought a last season package deal at Strands Ski Shop in Worcester, MA. I bought:

2008 Volkl AC30 Titanium 184cm - The 177cm just seemed to be a little to short. The 184s just seemed right.

2008 Marker Motion iPT 12.0 Piston Bindings

2007 Nordica Beast 12 boots. At first these didn't feel right so they heated up the inserts so it could form to my foot and they threw in a set of SuperFeet inserts. After that these boots felt perfect.

Master Ski Poles

With mounting and all the tuning, waxing, etc', I got the whole package for $950 out the door. It was a stupid impulse buy and the Credit Card took the hit for it. Seeing I haven't bought a new set of skis for 18 years, I guess I can splurge a little.

I'm doing a little additional research now to make sure it's a good deal and it seems to be. Not an unbelievable deal, but from what I'm seeing online it looks like a good purchase.

All I can say now is "BRING ON THE SNOW!"
post #15 of 21
I skied the P9's for four years up until about 1994(great ski in their day)

You ARE going to miss them...for all of about 2 turns
post #16 of 21

I would have suggested the Volkl AC4 or 40

which is slightly wider than the 30 which gives greater off
piste ability. I have skied the AC4 in 177 and 184 but I like the 184 better. One thing I have found though is that Mid Fat skis
handle better with race orientated boots due to the extra force
required to turn them compared to narrow skis. I also have the old Volkl P10 which I still enjoy but mostly for rockhopping.
If you get to a Volkl demo day try the AC50 which is the 08/09
model of the AC4/40. It is slightly wider and feels slightly more
race orientated.
post #17 of 21
Where do you live and where do you ski ?

May be one of us can recommend a shop.

Sorry I didn't all the post.

IMO you should demo skis and take a lesson to learn the new movement patterns. If your coming from long straight skis you need to learn the new movements. After a day or 2 with the newer skis and learning the movements you'll have a better idea of what you want. Try to do this in one weekend.

I understand cash is an issue, but IMO this is what will give you the biggest payback.
post #18 of 21
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Originally Posted by Rockrivr1 View Post
2008 Volkl AC30 Titanium 184cm - The 177cm just seemed to be a little to short. The 184s just seemed right.
You should like these. It's a beefy ski that has no upper speed limit and is rock solid stable. I does take a bit of effort to ski these - if you get in the backseat they'll misbehave, so you really want to stay on top of them all the time. You should think about taking a lesson to get the most out of your new gear.

Long term, you might have been better off with the 177s or even 170s. Modern skis are usually skied quite short, much shorter than in the old days. But I think you'll be happy with these, at least until you try something shorter and realize what you're missing.

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Originally Posted by Rockrivr1 View Post
2008 Marker Motion iPT 12.0 Piston Bindings
A good binding. It's what I ski on.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rockrivr1 View Post
2007 Nordica Beast 12 boots. At first these didn't feel right so they heated up the inserts so it could form to my foot and they threw in a set of SuperFeet inserts. After that these boots felt perfect.
If they fit, it's a good boot. Only your feet know for sure. You did get a guaranteed fit from the shop, right? That is, the ability to take them back in for additional adjustments. Usually you need a couple of tweaks after the first day; this should be included.

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Originally Posted by Rockrivr1 View Post
Master Ski Poles
Whatever. Poles are poles. I use Masters because they're cheap.

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Originally Posted by Rockrivr1 View Post
I'm doing a little additional research now to make sure it's a good deal and it seems to be. Not an unbelievable deal, but from what I'm seeing online it looks like a good purchase.
You got a good, but not extraordinary, price. If you're happy with the gear, it's a good deal. If not, then it wouldn't matter if you paid half of what you did.
post #19 of 21
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Originally Posted by Walt View Post
You should like these. It's a beefy ski that has no upper speed limit and is rock solid stable. I does take a bit of effort to ski these - if you get in the backseat they'll misbehave, so you really want to stay on top of them all the time. You should think about taking a lesson to get the most out of your new gear.

Long term, you might have been better off with the 177s or even 170s. Modern skis are usually skied quite short, much shorter than in the old days. But I think you'll be happy with these, at least until you try something shorter and realize what you're missing.



A good binding. It's what I ski on.



If they fit, it's a good boot. Only your feet know for sure. You did get a guaranteed fit from the shop, right? That is, the ability to take them back in for additional adjustments. Usually you need a couple of tweaks after the first day; this should be included.

You got a good, but not extraordinary, price. If you're happy with the gear, it's a good deal. If not, then it wouldn't matter if you paid half of what you did.
The length was a toss up. As I looked at the 184s, it seemed that only about 177 actually touched the snow. But I guess it's all relative. I think I'll be happy with this length. Is a good amount shorter then what I'm used to, but I'm sure it will be completely different. The guy at the shop indicated that as well.

Yes, I can bring the boots back for adjustments as needed. Just putting them on seemed to be so much easier then my older ones. I guess getting a new boot was a good idea as well.

Normally with something this expensive I'd have buyers remorse by now. But I'm still happy with the purchase and I spent a LOT of time yesterday reading reviews and doing some additional research. I could still back out if I wanted to, but I think I'm going to stick with these.

I think the idea of taking a lesson with these may be a really good idea.
post #20 of 21
I think you did good. You paid for the expertise and service of your shop as well, so if you have any questions or need any adjustments make sure you go to them first. Let them help you, that's what you paid them for.
post #21 of 21
With your size (225lbs) and an advanced ability level I would have gone with the 184's as well. When you get used to them (which might take less than half a day) you'll be on easy street compared to those P9's.

Good choice I say...enjoy em and don't second guess yourself for a second.
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