EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › Ski Training and Pro Forums › Racing and Big Mountain Competitions › Body armor: Spyder d30, Dianese... ?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Body armor: Spyder d30, Dianese... ?

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
I'm looking to beef up gate protection this year and also train in regular ski clothes with armor rather than race suit (my race suit is ancient, breaking down, a little too small and not that well padded). I actually like training way more than racing, I'll get about 25-30 training sessions this year and race, at most, 4 times. I can put up with my old suit for races, I'm looking for good training gear.

Dianese SL jacket seems to be the class leader. Is it so much better that's it's worth the money? Does the Spyder d30 really work as advertised? I'm leaning towards d30 stealth top and impact shorts. Should I just buy a better-fitting, better-padded suit?

On a related note, how many of you guys/gals are using back-protection for tech events?
post #2 of 15
Hey, my ski industry contacts tell me that Dainese is getting out of the ski gear biz.
post #3 of 15

The D30 stuff...

...is unbelievably expensive, although not so much for the stealth top. The stealth top, IMHO, ain't enough protection for SL, it is more intended to be worn under (or over, which is what the CU kids do...) a DH suit for GS training. I have a Dainese SL jacket, and IMHO, it's the best thing for SL. You might want to get padded training shorts, I just wear SL pants with pads. Don't forget shinguards and pole guards...
post #4 of 15
I have the Dianese shorts, not bad not great. I had the Sixsixone top....its tiny could not get my arms in, and at its time of release was about $300...rip off, returned it. Have been thinking of getting the Dianese top, but I am just afraid that it wont fit under my race suits...the Spyder 3do top has come down in price and might be a better alternative since its more flexible. I have looked at the protection offered for other more mainstream sports usually its cheaper and better made than ski stuff.

I use back protection anytime I am skiing. Mine is by Head and has shoulder straps and a kidney belt.

I also have soccer shin gaurds that I use as forearm protection. I paid only $20ish. Perfect fit, look great and much cheaper than the $100+ they charge for purpose built gaurds....and better made since you can get them by Reusch, Adidas, Nike and other soccer gear manufacturers.
post #5 of 15
I just picked up a d3O Spyder stealth for my son. His new school suit isn't padded. I presume that he'll just use this new suit to race, and will be training in a fully padded suit.

The only d30 padding on the Spyder stealth is on the forearms and elbow as I recall. The rest is non d30 padding. I used to think that d30 might be a gimmic, but my kids swear that it's different. That stealth looks like a good piece of equipment for under $100.

Both kids have worn Dainesse jackets for SL for years. I think the Dainesse jackets have worked well for them. A bit restrictive, perhaps, but great protection on the arms. Both use Slytech pads. Slytech is expensive, at anything close to retail. My son busted up a set of carbon forearm pads pretty badly in the course of a season. He sure uses them though. They work. The Slytech SL shin pads get great marks from both kids. But so did the Leki's, which lasted for many seasons.

Both kids use the full size Swix pole guards. Son went back to them after a couple of seasons with half guards. We manage to break a couple of them every season, depending on how cold it seems to be.

Both now use the Slytech back pads....having used Dainesse, POC and Ortema. They really like it. Very comforatble. My son has been skiing {racing and training}GS in it for a year, and my daughter is strating to do the same. SOP for speed for a number of years.

The challenge for my son in this new suit is going to be knee padding for GS. He's fine without hip padding {or so he says....he's skied in padded suits for a while!}, but he needs to find a knee pad for GS. Hopefully one that fits under a suit, and lets him move. Any ideas there?? I'm sure that the trainers at school have some ideas, too. It will obviously be a non-ski specific pad. At least that's my guess.

Thanks.
post #6 of 15
Dainese is the class leader in stealth- well proven and well made- d30 works to a certain extent but is crazy expensive and has very high friction which just destroys suits in no time as the material generates lots of gate burn. As it is now the padded race suit is becoming extinct as there is no need anymore in DH, SG or SL and in GS all you need is a stealth and forearm guards. Modern tech has almost eliminated thigh, knee and back of shoulder contact. In SL pole and shin guards are all you need- though girls should have chest armor and all should have a helmet chin guard.

By the way the use of kids soccer guards for forearm protection works great under the suit, Adidas makes a great set for under $10 at TSA. They all crack easy but at that price who cares.

Back armor has become very popular and is required for speed events. POC, Dainese, Slytech, Ortema and Komperdell are the leaders there.
post #7 of 15
Muleski, I have wanted to flex the credit card towards some Asterisk knee gaurds ($1000 a pair), which are designed to not only protect agaisnt impact but also against twisting that might result in ligament damage. I have seen a few pro-extreme skiers use them. They are popular with the motocross crowd which they were orginally designed for.
post #8 of 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by srd View Post

By the way the use of kids soccer guards for forearm protection works great under the suit, Adidas makes a great set for under $10 at TSA. They all crack easy but at that price who cares.
I actually bought the adult sized one, which is also more substantial, cost closer to $30 but the fit matches that of purpose built gaurds. Anyone interested, make sure you get the right kind as they have many styles some work much better fitting to the forearm than others. I wear them outside the suit to reduce chances of cutting through.
post #9 of 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by srd View Post
In SL pole and shin guards are all you need- though girls should have chest armor and all should have a helmet chin guard.
I am sure that is true for the good skiers, but I'm not giving up my padding just yet.

Richr
post #10 of 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by Muleski View Post
I just picked up a d3O Spyder stealth for my son. His new school suit isn't padded. I presume that he'll just use this new suit to race, and will be training in a fully padded suit.

The only d30 padding on the Spyder stealth is on the forearms and elbow as I recall. The rest is non d30 padding. I used to think that d30 might be a gimmic, but my kids swear that it's different. That stealth looks like a good piece of equipment for under $100.

Both kids have worn Dainesse jackets for SL for years. I think the Dainesse jackets have worked well for them. A bit restrictive, perhaps, but great protection on the arms. Both use Slytech pads. Slytech is expensive, at anything close to retail. My son busted up a set of carbon forearm pads pretty badly in the course of a season. He sure uses them though. They work. The Slytech SL shin pads get great marks from both kids. But so did the Leki's, which lasted for many seasons.

Both kids use the full size Swix pole guards. Son went back to them after a couple of seasons with half guards. We manage to break a couple of them every season, depending on how cold it seems to be.

Both now use the Slytech back pads....having used Dainesse, POC and Ortema. They really like it. Very comforatble. My son has been skiing {racing and training}GS in it for a year, and my daughter is strating to do the same. SOP for speed for a number of years.

The challenge for my son in this new suit is going to be knee padding for GS. He's fine without hip padding {or so he says....he's skied in padded suits for a while!}, but he needs to find a knee pad for GS. Hopefully one that fits under a suit, and lets him move. Any ideas there?? I'm sure that the trainers at school have some ideas, too. It will obviously be a non-ski specific pad. At least that's my guess.

Thanks.

I beat my knee up pretty bad a couple of seasons ago with GS training without knee padding. I busted some blood vessels, the whole thing swelled up and blah blah. I bought some volley ball knee pads and stuck them under my suit. They worked wonders and gave my knee time to recover. You look like an idiot with huge knees but hey, 10$ and it works... A first for ski racers...
post #11 of 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by TMAS29 View Post
I beat my knee up pretty bad a couple of seasons ago with GS training without knee padding. I busted some blood vessels, the whole thing swelled up and blah blah. I bought some volley ball knee pads and stuck them under my suit. They worked wonders and gave my knee time to recover. You look like an idiot with huge knees but hey, 10$ and it works... A first for ski racers...
Kinda makes you wonder whey no just use SL guards....the ones I have (Holmenkol) protect my knees...so far for the amateur racing I have done I have not needed it but the thought has crossed my mind once I step things up a bit.
post #12 of 15
I have also thought about giving the soccer shin guards a go as forearm guards so it's good to hear they work. I also tried wearing my old Spyder SL sweater under my suit (suit not a tight as it once was so I can fit them both on) Great on cold and windy days but maybe a little restrictive.
post #13 of 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by srd View Post
Back armor has become very popular and is required for speed events.
This may be a club policy. No FIS or USSA rules state that back protection is required for speed events.
post #14 of 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
Kinda makes you wonder whey no just use SL guards....the ones I have (Holmenkol) protect my knees...so far for the amateur racing I have done I have not needed it but the thought has crossed my mind once I step things up a bit.

I dunno, I find them kinda restrictive, and they also could catch on the gate like it happens in SL sometimes... Wouldn't be pretty in GS.

About the d3o stuff. My buddy had a couple of suits with it (I always hated padded suits so I traded my GS for his DH and so on) and he would ski ACA slaloms with only the shin d3o that was on the Canadian GS suits and he would say that it worked fine just like that (although he always went back to shinnies for important races) Anyways I never found his suits wore down faster than mine?

It seems to do what its supposed to do very well.
post #15 of 15

POC

The POC Spine Ergo was one of our biggest sellers last year.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › Ski Training and Pro Forums › Racing and Big Mountain Competitions › Body armor: Spyder d30, Dianese... ?