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Jr. ski recommendation for 10 yo boy

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
Hi - I feel like I'm asking the same question every year.

I'm looking to buy a new pair for my 10 yo son. He gets seasonal instruction with the same instructor (not a typical group lesson, but not a race team), and is at level 7 comfortably. He wants to move up to racing, maybe next year. His height is 4'7" (~140cm), on the slender side in term of build. He was using Atomic Race 7 @ 120cm for the past two years, and looking to get a new pair.

His instructor recommends all mountain, rather than race model, but I'm having a hard time finding perfomance skis for his age. They either tend to be stock race skis or beginner skis.

Anyhow, here is the list I have so far. A lot of it depends on his approval of the graphics.
- Atomic Race 10, 130cm
- Elan RC Junior Race, 130cm
- Rossignol Radical RSX Junior (not Racing Junior), 130cm

Any comment/review on the above choice/length, or anything else I should look at? Thank you.
post #2 of 16
My 14 year old skied the 07 K2 Apache Junior skis (108-65-91) as her primary ski the last two years (she has now moved on to women's skis) and it worked well for her during her weekly lessons. I've seen her take these skis down black diamond runs at Alta under all conditions and would agree that these are a real all mountain junior ski. This year my 10 year old, who is a little taller than yours, but also slender, will be using a 136cm pair of the 07 skis. I just looked at Al's Ski Barn (http://www.Untracked.com) and he has a pair of the 136cm 07 skis for sale. I would avoid the 08 model as they switched from a wood to a foam core.
post #3 of 16
Another vote for the 2006-07 or earlier Apache Jr, as Zman points out.

Rossi Bandit Jr is also a very good bet.

(I have kids on both skis.)
post #4 of 16
Here is a related thread:
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=72835

IMHO, either duo race or AM would work for his size and ability. It probably comes down to what you objective is for this season.

If he is using only one pair of skis and he likes skiing all conditions (included bumps, trees, cruds, pows, etc.) then get him a pair of all mountain skis that is a bit wider at the waist and a bit longer than 130cm, especially with the twins.

Otherwise, if you want him to get ready for next year on the race course, certain the combi skis (not sure about Elan Jr Race as I think their version is RCX) that you mentioned will work well. They can also serve as all mountains as "Race Stock" at this size range is pretty soft and isn't all that demanding.
post #5 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the replies.

K2 Apache Jr. sounds like a good choice, at 136cm.

If we end up going with Atomic Race 10 jr, or Elan RCX, which do you think makes more sense, 130 or 140? His height is 140cm. He's got this thing on graphics, and didn't like Bandit design for some reason.

Being from the New England, he skis mostly on trails, but loves the trees (the space in between, actually), likes to go on bumps - but no zipperlines. We rarely get a chance to ski on real pow. Last season, he worked on keeping out of backseat, using his weight more for carving. He is on the light side, so he couldn't bend his skis much. Improved a lot chasing older kids in the same group, and open stance parallel all the way. His stance could be more open, I think. He can comfortably come down any trail at Sunday River, including double black - though it was groomed that week. Usually he's the one that pushes me to go on double black.

Objective for this season, if left up to me, is being patient and finishing the turn on the steeps, getting more in front, more angulation, hand position. Because he's got very good rotary skills, carving doesn't come natural to him.

I personally don't care if he ends up racing or not - I just want him to get as good as he can at what he enjoys the most (within the budget constraint).

Based on that, if you have other recommendations, I'd love to hear them. Thanks again.
post #6 of 16

Jr. skis for 10 YO

http://www.usoutdoorstore.com/outlet/alpine-skis-kids1/

http://www.untracked.com/p2019c41b88..._tip_skis.html

http://www.sierraskis.com/Line-Invad...outh-17801.asp


This link shows various choices including the Apache Jr. My aggressive 10 YO skis the Line Invader which has proven to be a fine all-mountain choice with a great graphics (important to a 10 yo ). The 07/08s can be found at a steep discount online.

TeleMac
post #7 of 16
The Invader Mini is a fine choice for a strong kid skier (my daughter skis its girly twin, the Celebrity, mounted tele), but at 80mm wide, I don't think of it as ideal for a potential racer's one-ski-quiver.

The 140 Atomic or Elan will be nearly identical in length to the 136 K2.

TeleMac: Careful with the Apache Jrs. This is the first year of the beginner ones. This is the last year of the advanced ones. (And I believe that the tip is actually 103mm, not 108 -- they certainly were the year before -- and that they're essentially identical to the Axis Jrs, which are only $90, and very similar to these Mach SL Teams, which are only $50.)
post #8 of 16
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Originally Posted by Brick View Post
Thanks for the replies.
If we end up going with Atomic Race 10 jr, or Elan RCX, which do you think makes more sense, 130 or 140? His height is 140cm. He's got this thing on graphics, and didn't like Bandit design for some reason.
Uh, neither. Go with the Apache, and split the diff with the 136. I have to agree with everyone above. My son is 10 and he loves his
post #9 of 16
Brick, if he is in the backseat, 140cm may be a bit long. Since he is lighter, you also want boots that he can flex and that aren't too big. Both shorter skis and softer boots are essential to keep him in front.

Last year, I made the mistake in outfitting my then 8yo with boots that were 1.5 size too big (based on recommendation from a "boot fitter"). So, when she was confident she worked hard and did great but when she wasn't she got lazy and she kept herself in the potty position.

Also, if you guys don't ski on pow much, 76cm or so waist (midfat I suppose for munchins) may be best. Also, with that width he'll be able to transition edge to edge better.
post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by Brick View Post
Thanks for the replies.

K2 Apache Jr. sounds like a good choice, at 136cm.

If we end up going with Atomic Race 10 jr, or Elan RCX, which do you think makes more sense, 130 or 140? His height is 140cm. He's got this thing on graphics, and didn't like Bandit design for some reason.

Being from the New England, he skis mostly on trails, but loves the trees (the space in between, actually), likes to go on bumps - but no zipperlines. We rarely get a chance to ski on real pow. Last season, he worked on keeping out of backseat, using his weight more for carving. He is on the light side, so he couldn't bend his skis much. Improved a lot chasing older kids in the same group, and open stance parallel all the way. His stance could be more open, I think. He can comfortably come down any trail at Sunday River, including double black - though it was groomed that week. Usually he's the one that pushes me to go on double black.

Objective for this season, if left up to me, is being patient and finishing the turn on the steeps, getting more in front, more angulation, hand position. Because he's got very good rotary skills, carving doesn't come natural to him.

I personally don't care if he ends up racing or not - I just want him to get as good as he can at what he enjoys the most (within the budget constraint).

Based on that, if you have other recommendations, I'd love to hear them. Thanks again.
It's patently stupid to try to get a 9 yo out of the back seat. Forget stupid, it's incompetent.

Get him into a race program as soon as possible. Get him away from the instruction stream. Forget about your goals this year. Let the pros to the work.

His skiing will improve far more than you'd think.
post #11 of 16
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by BigE View Post
It's patently stupid to try to get a 9 yo out of the back seat. Forget stupid, it's incompetent.

Get him into a race program as soon as possible. Get him away from the instruction stream. Forget about your goals this year. Let the pros to the work.

His skiing will improve far more than you'd think.
He is in a pre-race program, and I don't give him instructions. I just ski with him.

Either you didn't read the post carefully, or I'm in a cranky mood waiting for the morning coffee.
post #12 of 16
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Originally Posted by Brick View Post
He is in a pre-race program, and I don't give him instructions. I just ski with him.

Either you didn't read the post carefully, or I'm in a cranky mood waiting for the morning coffee.
Option 3: Both..

Why not put him in a race program this year? Level 7 should be good enough to start him in a race program. Let the race instructor/coach tell you what skis to get him for race training. They may be the same as his all-mountain skis, and they may not; he needs softer skis for bumps and trees and off-piste, but his ability level might not favour stiffer. On the other hand it would be hard to learn carving on skis that won't hold an edge on hardpack. If not the same skis, get him two pair. Everybody needs a quiver!
post #13 of 16
Sorry, all I could find was that he was with the same instructor in a seasonal program and not on a race team.

IMO, he should be on a race team.

Ghost is correct. To learn to carve, you need carving skis. To use an all-mountain ski to learn to carve is not a good idea.

I would not worry one bit about his back-seatedness. Kids physically mature at a +/- 2 year band. Some 9 year olds are as mature as 11 year olds, others as mature as 7 year olds.

When the body is ready, the stance will come.

The notion of getting on a race team is because he improved by chasing kids. He'll get a lot of that on a race team. It is best to get him involved as young as possible - honestly, the sooner the better. I know you don't particularly care if he races or not, but it is no accident that the best skiers on the hill are or were racers.
post #14 of 16
Thread Starter 
Actually, I'm not sure when they move the kids into the race program at his mountain. I've seen kids not as good as my son race in a different program (different mtn). But then, there are kids who are better than him still not in a race program. (I should've said he recommended carving skis, not all-mountain.)

So, carving skis - which do you have recommend? Do you think K2 Apache Jr '07 will fit the bill? They seem to have enough sidecut at 108(103?)-65-91.
post #15 of 16
IIRC, Elan RCX comes in 125 and 130 only. Here, go for the 130.

Elan RCS comes in a multiple of sizes. The RCS is about as stiff as the Dynastar Team ski, but much better torsionally. Here, you'd go for at most the 140 but better would be the 130 or 135. The 145 and up all contain metal, the shorter ones are carbon.
post #16 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thanks again everyone.

I picked up an '07 K2 for a low price. I might add something once the season starts after talking further with his season instructor.

If that be the case, it just doesn't seem fair that my son gets to have more skis than me... hope my wife will be understanding when I say I need another pair to keep up with my son.
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