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Bode's skis "went soft"?

post #1 of 36
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Report from Ski Racing from Soelden GS race:
"Miller told coach Forest Carey his skis went "soft" in the second run and that the tails did not respond as he had expected. Still, he completed the course and scored points."

Why would his skis go soft?
- Damage on first run?
- Fabrication defect?
- Bode imagination?
- Bode sitting too hard on his tails?

I wouldn't have expected his skis to be that fragile. I know they lose edges sometimes when they hit a rock or hard ice on the course, but I was not aware of skis going soft after one run.

Any insight?
post #2 of 36
I would say that a racer at the level is far more likely to notice small changes in his skis than you or I could. I also think they could imagine more variance than you or I could.

I'd say it's one or a combination of these factors:

A)The weather conditions changed, the wood in the core consequently changed
B) He was drunk
C)He leaned backed, broke/stressed some material in his ski
D)Paranoid Imagination of a top level competitor
E)Sabotage ( now I got that song stuck in my head)
F)Some other type ski damage

My guess is A+D
post #3 of 36
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Originally Posted by rallyskier View Post
Report from Ski Racing from Soelden GS race:
"Miller told coach Forest Carey his skis went "soft" in the second run and that the tails did not respond as he had expected. Still, he completed the course and scored points."

Why would his skis go soft?
- Damage on first run?
- Fabrication defect?
- Bode imagination?
- Bode sitting too hard on his tails?

I wouldn't have expected his skis to be that fragile. I know they lose edges sometimes when they hit a rock or hard ice on the course, but I was not aware of skis going soft after one run.

Any insight?
I don't think it was his skis that went "soft" more like his head as he skied the 2nd run poorly. With Bode its always an equipment issue.
post #4 of 36
I watched the run last night, his turns looked more like what you would find in those WC carving championships, he practically laid down on his side at every turn....amazing to see, but I doubt very good to maintain your speed and win a GS; as his 10th place spot indicated.

He may have cracked his skis.... but I read that he said he may have hit a rock...as much a Bode fan as I am I dont know how this guy is always the one to manage to find the single rock on an expansive and otherwise pristinely manicured race course every time he skis.
post #5 of 36
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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
...as much a Bode fan as I am I dont know how this guy is always the one to manage to find the single rock on an expansive and otherwise pristinely manicured race course every time he skis.
Well, we do know that the course workers are slightly retarded, so how do we know that they didn't accidentally put a rock on the glacier?
post #6 of 36
I defer when it comes to piling-on Bode.

He's a prima donna - check
He's moody - check
He's insular and not a team player - check
He's the best skier in the world, twice - check

He's easy to criticize, because he's a big target.

At the end of the day, he's delivered more than anyone in the history of American ski racing.
post #7 of 36
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Originally Posted by Captain_Strato View Post
He's the best skier in the world, twice - check

He's easy to criticize, because he's a big target.

At the end of the day, he's delivered more than anyone in the history of American ski racing.


I know these guys are all about winning, but how can we criticize 10th place in a World Cup race. Before Bode, it was major news in the US just to score a WC point. If he thinks his skis "went soft" I think he probably knows what he is talking about. I thought he had a great run going, he is obviously as physically strong as his competition. S**t happens .

JF
post #8 of 36
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Originally Posted by dumpy View Post
I would say that a racer at the level is far more likely to notice small changes in his skis than you or I could. I also think they could imagine more variance than you or I could.

I'd say it's one or a combination of these factors:

A)The weather conditions changed, the wood in the core consequently changed
B) He was drunk
C)He leaned backed, broke/stressed some material in his ski
D)Paranoid Imagination of a top level competitor
E)Sabotage ( now I got that song stuck in my head)
F)Some other type ski damage

My guess is A+D
C,
F,
B

Maybe just B..he is still/has been the best skier in the world for years. B,hungover, or sober.
post #9 of 36
Can I have those skis?


Greatest Assets to US World Cup Skiing (in no particular order)
Billy Kidd
Cindy Nelson
Mahres
Picabo Street
Bill Johnson
Bode Miller

All of these folks are bulletproof in my book. Give "the man" a beer, new skis, and find out what the problem is with the others.
post #10 of 36
I'm sure you didn't mean to leave Tamara McKinney off that list. She certainly deserves to be there more than some others.
post #11 of 36
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Originally Posted by Hedgedskier View Post
I'm sure you didn't mean to leave Tamara McKinney off that list. She certainly deserves to be there more than some others.
I was thinking the exact same thing! In fact there are a few more that could go on that list. If I were to make a top 5 list, Tamara would be 3rd.

JF
post #12 of 36
Don't forget Deb Armstrong and Andrea Meade Lawrence and Gretchen Fraser.
post #13 of 36
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Originally Posted by geoffda View Post
Don't forget Deb Armstrong and Andrea Meade Lawrence and Gretchen Fraser.
& Buddy Werner, Jimmie Huega, Eva Twordokens. Diane Roffe S., Christan Cooper, AJ Kitt, Doug Lewis, Kyle Rassmusen, Daron Rahlves, Tommy Moe, Greg Jones... have all medaled or won major events. Anyone being left out?

JF
post #14 of 36
When Tiger was testing golf balls for Nike, after a couple of hunnerd hits, he said 'I like the light one". The tech said 'The all weigh the same" Tiger said no they didn't. Sure enough one was a couple of grams lighter.

I am paraphrasing.

These guys are at a level that we cannot comprehend.
post #15 of 36
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
When Tiger was testing golf balls for Nike, after a couple of hunnerd hits, he said 'I like the light one". The tech said 'The all weigh the same" Tiger said no they didn't. Sure enough one was a couple of grams lighter.

I am paraphrasing.

These guys are at a level that we cannot comprehend.
When you club head speed is as high as his, variations in the ball should be easier to feel.

Same with Bode, and the number of G's the guy is capable of pulling in a turn.
post #16 of 36
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Originally Posted by Hedgedskier View Post
I'm sure you didn't mean to leave Tamara McKinney off that list. She certainly deserves to be there more than some others.
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Originally Posted by 4ster View Post
I was thinking the exact same thing! In fact there are a few more that could go on that list. If I were to make a top 5 list, Tamara would be 3rd.

JF
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Originally Posted by geoffda View Post
Don't forget Deb Armstrong and Andrea Meade Lawrence and Gretchen Fraser.
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Originally Posted by 4ster View Post
& Buddy Werner, Jimmie Huega, Eva Twordokens. Diane Roffe S., Christan Cooper, AJ Kitt, Doug Lewis, Kyle Rassmusen, Daron Rahlves, Tommy Moe, Greg Jones... have all medaled or won major events. Anyone being left out?

JF
My far too subtle point was that Bode has surpassed all of them in WC racing accomplishments, though he does seem to falter in the Olympics.. I doubt he'd blame it on the ski without merit.
post #17 of 36
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post
My far too subtle point was that Bode has surpassed all of them in WC racing accomplishments, though he does seem to falter in the Olympics.. I doubt he'd blame it on the ski without merit.
Sorry, that probably should've been another thread .
I totally agree.

JF
post #18 of 36
Bode's skis went soft in two runs? When did he switch to using Salomons?
post #19 of 36
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
When Tiger was testing golf balls for Nike, after a couple of hunnerd hits, he said 'I like the light one". The tech said 'The all weigh the same" Tiger said no they didn't. Sure enough one was a couple of grams lighter.

I am paraphrasing.

These guys are at a level that we cannot comprehend.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...ank&id=3484474

On his first day as the Cowboys' receivers coach, the meticulous Raymond Berry demonstrated how to run a sideline route to rookies. Berry made his usual precise numbers of steps, cut toward the sideline and landed -- 1 foot out of bounds.
"The field is too narrow, Tom," he announced to Coach Landry. "No, Raymond," Landry said, "we've been out here forever." This was the sixth year the Cowboys had practiced on the same field without complaint, yet Berry instinctively found it out of line. "Either the hashmarks aren't right or the field is too narrow," the former Baltimore Colts star receiver insisted. Landry shrugged, called for a tape measure, and field dimensions were plotted to the exact inch. Berry's sense of precision was validated. The field was 11 inches too narrow.
post #20 of 36
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Originally Posted by Rio View Post
Bode's skis went soft in two runs? When did he switch to using Salomons?
Ouch...
post #21 of 36
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Originally Posted by 4ster View Post


I know these guys are all about winning, but how can we criticize 10th place in a World Cup race. Before Bode, it was major news in the US just to score a WC point. If he thinks his skis "went soft" I think he probably knows what he is talking about. I thought he had a great run going, he is obviously as physically strong as his competition. S**t happens .

JF
Actually he looks to be in the best shape I have ever seen him, lean and muscular legs.
post #22 of 36
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Originally Posted by KevinF View Post
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...ank&id=3484474

On his first day as the Cowboys' receivers coach, the meticulous Raymond Berry demonstrated how to run a sideline route to rookies. Berry made his usual precise numbers of steps, cut toward the sideline and landed -- 1 foot out of bounds.
"The field is too narrow, Tom," he announced to Coach Landry. "No, Raymond," Landry said, "we've been out here forever." This was the sixth year the Cowboys had practiced on the same field without complaint, yet Berry instinctively found it out of line. "Either the hashmarks aren't right or the field is too narrow," the former Baltimore Colts star receiver insisted. Landry shrugged, called for a tape measure, and field dimensions were plotted to the exact inch. Berry's sense of precision was validated. The field was 11 inches too narrow.
I hate to be grumpy, but he would still be out of bounds. If the field is 11 inches too narrow, & the hashmarks are centered, that is 5.5 inches on each side. He would be out of bounds by half a foot.
post #23 of 36
So does this mean he is going to change ski companies again? What is he on, his fourth? I just remember when he started winning in some junior leagues on K2 Fours because there was no such thing as a race carving ski at that time.
post #24 of 36
I was talking to a guy last year that had ties to the Miller camp. (this is all hear-say) He told me a few years ago when Miller was not skiing his best, his coaches were trying to get him to make changes in his form but Miller kept saying the skis were to soft. At the time, he had the stiffest skis on the team. Finally, they made him a pair with two additional layers of metal. From that point on he started improving is rankings and winning races.
post #25 of 36
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He leaned back
Who? Bode?!?!?!?
post #26 of 36
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Originally Posted by rallyskier View Post
Report from Ski Racing from Soelden GS race:
"Miller told coach Forest Carey his skis went "soft" in the second run and that the tails did not respond as he had expected.
Most of the replies so far assume that Bode was referencing a percieved material flaw/change internal to the ski.

I wonder if perhaps the conditions became more solid on the second run, and he was speculating that he would have chosen a stiffer pair to start that run with?

Or perhaps the first run was rock-solid and effectively de-tuned his edges just enough to cause a problem?
post #27 of 36
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post
Can I have those skis?


Greatest Assets to US World Cup Skiing (in no particular order)
Billy Kidd
Cindy Nelson
Mahres
Picabo Street
Bill Johnson
Bode Miller

All of these folks are bulletproof in my book. Give "the man" a beer, new skis, and find out what the problem is with the others.
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Originally Posted by Hedgedskier View Post
I'm sure you didn't mean to leave Tamara McKinney off that list. She certainly deserves to be there more than some others.
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Originally Posted by geoffda View Post
Don't forget Deb Armstrong and Andrea Meade Lawrence and Gretchen Fraser.
Quote:
Originally Posted by 4ster View Post
& Buddy Werner, Jimmie Huega, Eva Twordokens. Diane Roffe S., Christan Cooper, AJ Kitt, Doug Lewis, Kyle Rassmusen, Daron Rahlves, Tommy Moe, Greg Jones... have all medaled or won major events. Anyone being left out?

JF
...and Kristin Krone, Kristine Koznik, Erik Schlopy, Sarah Schleper, and most recently, Jimmy Cochran, Stacey Cook, Lindsey Vonn (Kildow), Ted Ligety, Scott Macartney, Julia Mancuso, Steven Nyman, Kaylin Richardson, Resi Stiegler, and Marco Sullivan...watch out...the current U.S. Team is hot stuff!
post #28 of 36
Isn't this the guy who was trying to glue two skis top to bottom to see if they would be stiff enough for him? His style seems to be all about sitting back on crazy stiff platforms.
post #29 of 36
John Kucera told me that there were a number of stones in the snow. He hit one (some) and ended up not finishing becuase of the damage.
post #30 of 36
I didn't read this whole thread, got bored with the arguing about whether bode is or isn't a drunk idiot.


Skis wear out, even fancy race room built wood core skis, especially when they're skied as hard and often as I'm sure bode's skis are.

It seems odd to think the breakdown in flex could happen so suddenly as to pinpointed to a single run, but I remember when my ak rockets turned to noodles, I definitely noticed them start to soften a little, then become almost unusable, over the course of a single day.
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