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post #31 of 52
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Originally Posted by jp4266 View Post
Would everyone say Whistler is leaps and bounds above Vail?
it is geographically above it. beyond that you'll never get people to agree on anything.
post #32 of 52
more varied and a greater percentage of difficult terrain, but worse weather and less reliable light and dry powder.
post #33 of 52
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Originally Posted by srd View Post
I just have to laugh at this one.... Join me and you will see some steeps and in any case if its not "steep" we just ski it faster. And lack of snow? I guess almost 500" last year was just a dusting.

Yes Vail is not La Grave or Jackson- but for one mtn. few can touch it- and then there is BC nearby which has ample steeps.
Check your sarcasm meter...unless mine is off??
post #34 of 52
Vail does have quite a few "fanboys". A few years back we were skiing with a group in Les 3 Vallees and a couple of them kept comparing the snow, lift lines (what do you expect in Europe?), lifts etc. to Vail. Here we were skiing the biggest most awesome ski area on the planet and they wanted "their Vail". I was like, dude, we are skiing in the French Alps, enjoy it! It was like going to Europe and complaining that the food isn't American enough. I just didn't get it.
post #35 of 52
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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz View Post
it is geographically above it. beyond that you'll never get people to agree on anything.
I got a small chuckle out of this.

To the original poster. Have fun at Vail, it's my favorite Colorado resort. There's always a way to beat the crowds if you know which lifts to avoid and where to ski. Let's not forget the powder storms Vail got last year. It was great for those of us who couldn't make it up to Steamboat.

It's not the best in any one area, but it has so much in the way of terrain that it's tough not to find something everyone loves. Yes, it's expensive, but the original poster seems less concerned about money spent than having a good time. This is what a vacation is all about!

If you want to meet up with any locals, just post here. Lots of friendly people willing to meet and show you around the area.
post #36 of 52
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Originally Posted by jp4266 View Post
Well a car is a must - I just found out the condo is actually in Minturn anyways. Ok so 6 days of skiing - 3 Vail, 1 Beaver Creek, Should I do 2 days at one place like Breck or split up the remaining 2 days?
Well, you said you wanted "champagne powder" instead of Sierra cement, so that would make a day at Steamboat part of the package. It's about 1.5 hours north, and has trees that Fail could only dream of (if trees and champagne powder are what you like ).

You still haven't mentioned the capabilities of your group, but A-Basin is great for some gnar that you won't find at Vail, Keystone has Cat skiing, Breckenridge has a nice mellow intermediate vibe, Beaver Creek is a nice high-end flavor and some great terrain, and Copper I don't like (but I think it had to do with factors other than the actual area).

Variety is the spice of life, particularly in skiing. Vail is fine, and I thought it was THE place, until I went to the others and found that the hype factor is bigger than the reality of the place.

No doubt it's good, but so are the others, and in some (many) catagories, they're better. I couldn't imagine spending a lot of time there and passing up the other areas strengths.

Two weeks at Vail
post #37 of 52
4-5 days at Vail, 1-2 days Beaver Creek. I've stayed at Minturn a few times. Very good Mexican food in Minturn , along with the Minturn Country Club where you can cook your own prime steak. Alsoand a great barbecue and pizza at the place next to the bank slightly beyond the Mini Mart Gas Station. Sorry I 've forgotten the name. Minturn might become the next "big thing" with the development by Ginn of a private resort. Shuttle times to Vail less than ideal if you want to make first chair you're up at Vail Transportation Center at 7 AM.
post #38 of 52
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Originally Posted by jp4266 View Post
Would everyone say Whistler is leaps and bounds above Vail?
No.
post #39 of 52
I don't think anyone has adequately addressed the time of year question. It is a tradeoff. March is a bigger snow month on average than February, so you are more likely to have fresh snow. But March is also generally warmer than February, and you are also more likely to have spring conditions than in February.

So, it depends on what you want. It is possible that you could arrive in March and find yourself with a few days of coral reef conditions in the back bowls, or (I hope not) with not much cover if it is a bad snow year. February is a better bet for packed powder conditions than March. Also, March (particularly from mid-month on) tends to result in a fair amount of visitors because of Spring Break.

If you decide to do February, then I'd suggest skiing Vail/Summit County during the week, and Beaver Creek on the weekend. Vail Resorts limits the number of guests at the Beav, and with it being further from the Front Range, will be less crowded as well.

You've not indicated what type of terrain you are most interested in skiing. I love the vastness of Vail, but I prefer to ski Beaver Creek largely because the terrain is more challenging.

If you are thinking of skiing in Summit County, then I'd suggest limiting your focus to Breckenridge and Copper. Of course, if you want an extreme experience, then you could go to A Basin and hike the North Pole, but there is more terrain at Breck and Copper. I'm not a fan of Keystone, and would place it last on the list.

If it was me, I'd plan on 3 days Vail, 2 days Copper (or 1 Breck 1 Copper), and the weekend at the Beav. YMMV.

BTW, I generally ski about 40 days a season in Summit/Eagle County.

Mike
post #40 of 52
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Originally Posted by jp4266 View Post
Would everyone say Whistler is leaps and bounds above Vail?
No doubt.

Over 50% larger, actual alpine terrain, real expert areas, back country up the wazoo, bowls that (should) make Flail blush, killer village, Canadian beer, unreal nightlife, etc. etc.

Yes, sometimes the weather sucks for days on end, and you have a better potential for powder vs. the (often) wet stuff you find at a Pacific rain forest, but as far as the mountain, there's NO comparison.
post #41 of 52
Back to advice for the original poster.

I think a single day at any ski area (unless it is very small, you plan to go back soon, or have a local guide) is not a good use of ski days. By the time you figure out where the part you like is, the day is over.
post #42 of 52
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Originally Posted by mdf View Post
Back to advice for the original poster.

I think a single day at any ski area (unless it is very small, you plan to go back soon, or have a local guide) is not a good use of ski days. By the time you figure out where the part you like is, the day is over.
JP4266 WAS the original poster, and asked a follow-up question. Go figure.
post #43 of 52
Thread Starter 
I love all the info I'm getting!

As far as the ability of my group(I ski, my 2 friends snowboard) we are all good. We've skiied everything Squaw and Alpine Meadows have to offer at Tahoe and done a decent amount of hiking with the guidance of a buddy who lives out there. That being said we won't be hucking off any cliffs or taking the most extreme lines.

We decided to go out on Fri March 6.

Does Steamboat get dumped on alot more than Vail? If so it might be worth it to drive up there for a couple of days....
post #44 of 52
Thread Starter 
FYI I love tree skiing but plenty of that in VT so when I go out west I look for wide open bowls
post #45 of 52
jp4266 -- You'll have a great time at Vail. Beaver Creek and Breckenridge would be excellent places for your other 2 days. Do the free guided mountain tours at all 3 for the best way to learn the mountains. You'll get a lot more skiing in when you don't have to spend time figuring out where to go.
post #46 of 52
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Originally Posted by jp4266 View Post
FYI I love tree skiing but plenty of that in VT so when I go out west I look for wide open bowls
The relationship between Steamboat and Eastern tree skiing is like East and West powder. The ingredients may look the same, but there's little relationship in how they work together.

At 'da Boat you can go from tight (Eastern) trees, to an open glade depending on which direction you point your skis, and you typically do it on inches (or more) of light powder. You learn what the term "slalom glade" means at Steamboat.

Truly, there's little relationship between VT and Steamboat tree skiing. If you like trees, it's almost mandatory that you spend (at least) a day there. Lodging is fairly cheap too.

Also, if you say your crew is pretty good, put a day at A-Basin on the itinerary, and delete the day at Breck (or one at Vail). A very unique ski experience.
post #47 of 52
Well, if you are going to drive 90 miles to Steamboat, then you ought to consider driving 100 miles to Aspen. If you guys are truly "good," the destination ought to be Highlands and a hike of Highlands bowl. That would give you the steep skiing that otherwise might be missing.

Mike
post #48 of 52
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Originally Posted by habacomike View Post
Well, if you are going to drive 90 miles to Steamboat, then you ought to consider driving 100 miles to Aspen. If you guys are truly "good," the destination ought to be Highlands and a hike of Highlands bowl. That would give you the steep skiing that otherwise might be missing.

Mike
....we won't be hucking off any cliffs or taking the most extreme lines. . And we're talking trees, anyway.

It's 1.5 hours from Vail to Steamboat. It's at least 2.5 hours to Aspen. They could just go 1/2 hour from Vail and be at A-Basin for steeps and gnar.
post #49 of 52
There is so much great skiing within 30-40 minutes of where you are staying... Were I you I would save Steamboat for another trip. Only caveat is if they were to get a couple foot dump up there that missed Vail and Summit County, In that case you could make a case for hitting the highway.
post #50 of 52
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Originally Posted by snofun3 View Post
It's 1.5 hours from Vail to Steamboat. It's at least 2.5 hours to Aspen. They could just go 1/2 hour from Vail and be at A-Basin for steeps and gnar.
Sorry to disagree with you, but I've driven both many times. It is 90 miles to Steamboat, and 98 to Aspen. The travel time is quite similar, especially as 131 is quite narrow and slow particularly through Oak Creek canyon. You also have to slow down through Yampa, Phippsburg, and Oak Creek. OTOH, you've got I-70 to Glenwood, and then mostly 4 lane to Aspen.

The transit time is pretty much the same at about 1:45 to 2 hours one way.

Mike
post #51 of 52
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Originally Posted by crank View Post
There is so much great skiing within 30-40 minutes of where you are staying... Were I you I would save Steamboat for another trip. Only caveat is if they were to get a couple foot dump up there that missed Vail and Summit County, In that case you could make a case for hitting the highway.
I like that idea, too. Plan out a big chunk of the trip, but be ready and able to change plans to follow conditions. If you have a "5 out of 7" pass, or whatever it is, at Vail, don't feel compelled to ski all 5 days in a row. If someone's getting a storm, go where the snow is.



aaron
post #52 of 52
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Originally Posted by scootertig View Post
go where the snow is.



aaron
I'm on it
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