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post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
Figured I would jump in.. my first post but have been lurking for a while . I always find the members are helpful and insightful..


I'm not a gear head (sorry a term from my car days ), meaning I'm not overly familiar with the latest tech or model names etc.

Anyway I'm looking to update my skis.

Me:
51 years, CSIA level 1 - doing my 2 this year.
Been skiing since I was a kid - but the one trip a year thing since the early 80's - which morphed into 15 -30 days a year in the last 10 years with time out for knee surgery and a herniated disk (ongoing) as well as sciatica on both sides (real mess eh..) My knee and back can be limiting at times so I don't regularly go into the bumps (mental fear..) but I feel I want to at least work at them (no high speed bump runs) I am a technical skier instead of power. I have always found GS style more of my liking but I want to really become better all round and have been working on short turns on groomed black - which I can do but in my own mind I need to work really hard at getting my feet around faster. I'm 6'2" @ 185 lbs and presently ski on Crossmax 9p's @ 180 conected by Lange 120's.
On the scale of things I would peg myself as quoted from the list..

--edited--
"Level 7 Links turns on black terrain, working on technique in various snow conditions and carving blue terrain.
Level 8 Make parallel turns on black terrain and moguls (remove Moguls )with ease. Exploring extremes - ----with caution----. "

-probably the closest match except add carve and dynamic on groomed black

or
"8 - carved turns, dynamic skiing"
--edited---

-but not with great confidence.

Bowls and powder when available ...

I live in southern Ontario and ski there and in Quebec with the trips to western destinations thrown in.

I'm looking at trying a set of Contacts (4x4 or 10's) but demo's might be a challenge to find - but a local shop said that they might loan me a pair so I'll explore that avenue when the snow shows up.

suggestions or idea's

thanks for listening..
post #2 of 11
What do you want the new skis to do differently or better than the old ones?

SJ
post #3 of 11
Thread Starter 
Should have thought of that ..
Well I like the way the crossmax goes thru junk when it gets chewed up (just my opinion, but an opinion that has no direct comparison to other skis) and edge hold isn't bad on boiler plate, but not the best on variable terrain (for me anyway) when I want to change turn shape from medium to short ...

So I would like good initiation, energy (pop) and work well in the chewed up ungroomed with stability in the faster (but not really balistic high speeds) dynamic med to long turn shape - love those dynamic carve turns
- a decent 'sweet' spot and for those few days of out west stuff a bit of float - but not to the extent that I lose quickness.

Make any sense?
post #4 of 11
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
What do you want the new skis to do differently or better than the old ones?

SJ
My original responce didn't seem to go thru so I'll try again...

I'm looking for an all round ski that is quicker edge to edge for the eastern type and work well in improving my short turns while still stable for long turns (fast but not balistic). A ski capable of going thru the crud on the ungroomed, and a wide sweet spot and if it would work (somewhat) out west - bonus..

does this help?
post #5 of 11
Head Supershape Speed, in between GS and SL in radius, race construction, carve plate, made for speed, perfect EC ski IMHO.

Edit: Didnt see your additional post...dont know if the SS speed is the right ski for crud though (my guess is no)...others may chime in that have more experience, but recent posts similar to yours have suggested the Head iM77 or 78 for the additional flotation their wider waists afford.
post #6 of 11
Rossi Z9. Huge sweet spot, versatile, not great on eastern ice, but that would require a true slalom ski that's not good for much else.
JF
post #7 of 11
DB9

I also live in SW Ontario and am looking for a great east-coast ski which is also great on the boiler-plate.

There are some helpful responses in this thread:
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=73361

FWIW I think I am really leaning towards the Contact 4x4's and Volkl AC30's. I think these offer some good versatility but have a great hard-snow biased. (Note: I have note tested any of these - this is based on info on this forum and reviews elsewhere).

BB
post #8 of 11
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by 4ster View Post
Rossi Z9. Huge sweet spot, versatile, not great on eastern ice, but that would require a true slalom ski that's not good for much else.
JF
Has the Z9 been replaced with the Z10 for 09? or how does the CX80/CS70 compare. How would the CS70 work for longer turn when needed?
post #9 of 11
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Originally Posted by db9 View Post
Has the Z9 been replaced with the Z10 for 09? or how does the CX80/CS70 compare. How would the CS70 work for longer turn when needed?
Sorry db9, I don't know much about Rossi's current line. I had a pair of the Z9's for a couple of seasons, they were a nice all around ski. Last season I had a pair of Z11's which skied very similar, but with better grip on hard snow. I only put the soft bars on them a few times, & really couldn't tell much difference. The Mutix system seems a little hokey to me, they tend to rattle a little which is a little annoying, but they ski fine.

The other skis mentioned in this thread sound like they would also fit the bill for you.

JF
post #10 of 11
Here is what I wrote about the Z11 in April of 07":

I got a pair of the Z11's in a 170cm 2 weeks ago. I Skied them for a week in variety of spring conditions.
I am 5' 10', 155lbs., aggresive all mountain skier. The 1st 4 days I skied them with the stiff flex bars. The skis held amazingly well on frozen, hard as a rock, groomed snow, much better than my 170 Z9's. They floated nicely in soft spring corn and crud, (not quite as quiet a ride as the Scott 178cm, 88mm waist skis I tried the other day), but nice & easy to ski. The Z11 was also fine in the bumps, with its quick, short turning radius. I also opted to use them for our final town league race, due to the fact that they held so well on the ice the first day I skied them. This was probably not the best choice, as I got a bit of chatter in some of the icier sections, I usually race on my longer & narrower Volkl Racetigers. Even with the wider Z11's I still managed to win my age class, & got 4th overall.
As the temperatures got warmer & the snow softer I put on the softer flex bars the next 2 days, & didn't notice much difference, although I think I prefer the stiffer ones.
Overall, I love the ski! I am a bit old school, & not a huge fan of really fat skis except for deep powder and old rotten snow. So for me this ski will be my all-mountain ski (I love to carve). Many will not agree with this assessment, (even Rossi bills it as 70% on & 30% off piste) but I will use it as a 50/50 ski.
The skis seem to have a relatively soft longitudinal flex, but the bars seem to give them plenty of torsional rigidity.
Due to the fact that the snow is getting thin & dirty, I have waxed them & put them away for the season, & will look forward to having them as my go to ski next season!
Thanks,
JF
post #11 of 11
Thread Starter 
Hi again..

I have been reading and thinking (a dangerous combination) more about trying the contact 4x4, Crimson Ti, Supershape Speed or? for skiing here in southern Ontario - however in the spirit of cost savings, any idea about a ski similar to the 4x4 but from 07/08 that I can look for on sale - a couple of my local stores have sales starting this weekend so time to shop..

thanks
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