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post #1 of 28
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After having just bought a Skiers Edge machine 2 wks ago and thinking I bought the latest and greatest from them, I then find an ad in my latest Ski magazine advertising a "NEW" Skiers Edge!

This is something they're calling the QS5 and from my understanding is simply a quieter rail system and more of an upgrade package to existing gear vs a whole new system.

I called Skiers Edge and they confirm what my thoughts were, meaning more of an upgrade vs a new machine. For $750 for the upgrade I'll take a pass (a quieter machine for close to $1,000!!...don't think so!).

Anyone out there tried the QS5 and have thoughts on the system?
post #2 of 28
Ask Iriponsnow.
post #3 of 28

How do you like skiers edge?

Hear you have just bought skiers edge, are you pleased with it as I am considering looking for a 2nd hand one. Any tips,.
Carron
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Originally Posted by swisstrader View Post
After having just bought a Skiers Edge machine 2 wks ago and thinking I bought the latest and greatest from them, I then find an ad in my latest Ski magazine advertising a "NEW" Skiers Edge!

This is something they're calling the QS5 and from my understanding is simply a quieter rail system and more of an upgrade package to existing gear vs a whole new system.

I called Skiers Edge and they confirm what my thoughts were, meaning more of an upgrade vs a new machine. For $750 for the upgrade I'll take a pass (a quieter machine for close to $1,000!!...don't think so!).

Anyone out there tried the QS5 and have thoughts on the system?
post #4 of 28
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Originally Posted by carronlodge View Post
Hear you have just bought skiers edge, are you pleased with it as I am considering looking for a 2nd hand one. Any tips,.
Carron
Absolutely love it!!...I've gone the bowflex route and other nonsensical exercise machines and all have sat collecting dust. Skiers Edge is just plain fun to jump on so I now do it 2-3 times/day and knowing that it will only improve both my technique and stamina makes it all the more worthwhile.

Pricey? Absolutely, but in my view, well worth the cash in that I actually use it!!, as does my snowboarding son. I feel like for the first time in my life I'm actually in decent shape for the season and my thighs are rock solid.

Buy it, you will love it!
post #5 of 28
Yeah, Kerry (Wife/ 30-somethings Nat. Champ/ Skiers Edge Athlete), has been involved with this & has only great things to report. She told me that many folks offered them cash to hand over prototypes that have been floating around at the international ski shows.
post #6 of 28

What were prototypes like?

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Originally Posted by iriponsnow View Post
Yeah, Kerry (Wife/ 30-somethings Nat. Champ/ Skiers Edge Athlete), has been involved with this & has only great things to report. She told me that many folks offered them cash to hand over prototypes that have been floating around at the international ski shows.
Or, were they just old demo units? Just curious because I plan to develop one like them. I was surprised that everyone liked skiers edge.
post #7 of 28
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Or, were they just old demo units? Just curious because I plan to develop one like them. I was surprised that everyone liked skiers edge.
Why surprised?...they've been around some 20 yrs and no one has come out with anything that's even close...great technology and used by just about every major ski team out there and now recognized as a terrific machine for knee rehab.

Check out these references....does it get any better than this?

http://www.skiersedge.com/rave_reviews/experts.html
post #8 of 28

Ski techniques

[quote=swisstrader;1001533]Why surprised?...they've been around some 20 yrs and no one has come out with anything that's even close...great technology and used by just about every major ski team out there and now recognized as a terrific machine for knee rehab.

Check out these references....does it get any better than this?

http://www.skiersedge.com/rave_revie...tml[/quote]


Yes, you are right about great technology for extreme skiers. I was talking about ski techniques for first-time skiers. Does skiers edge have them?
post #9 of 28
[quote=swisstrader;1001533]Why surprised?...they've been around some 20 yrs and no one has come out with anything that's even close...great technology and used by just about every major ski team out there and now recognized as a terrific machine for knee rehab.

Check out these references....does it get any better than this?

http://www.skiersedge.com/rave_revie...tml[/quote]

Yes, great technology for ski experts or other sport atheletes...I was looking for new technology for all ages. Features ski techniques, etc. Does Skiers Edge have them?
post #10 of 28
Yes you are right that skiers edge has great technology for ski experts and other sport atheletes. I wanted to see devices that provide basic techniques for first-time skiers. The feel of skiing.
post #11 of 28
I used to own a Skiers Edge, and had a friend with one too.

It's a great conditioning tool - IF you continue using it.

Like most exercise machines, many eventually suffer from lack of use, become obstacles, and are finally relegated to the basement or garage.

I used mine a regularly for a couple of years, and then tired of it. It was fun at first. Ultimately, I found it repetitive and boring.

If you have discipline, they work well and are worth the investment.
post #12 of 28
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I wanted to see devices that provide basic techniques for first-time skiers. The feel of skiing.
I don't think there is such a device. The Skiers Edge most certainly isn't. Any claims that one can learn to ski by using it is 100% BS. And as far as simulating the feel of skiing, it sort of mimics the feel of carving big gs arcs, but this is nothing at all like what a beginner will experience their first year or three on snow.

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It's a great conditioning tool - IF you continue using it.

Like most exercise machines, many eventually suffer from lack of use, become obstacles, and are finally relegated to the basement or garage.

I used mine a regularly for a couple of years, and then tired of it. It was fun at first. Ultimately, I found it repetitive and boring.

If you have discipline, they work well and are worth the investment.
Agree 100%. I have one and it provides great off season conditioning. It's also repetitive and boring. I force myself to use it because I want to be able to ski all day from the first day of the season. It works - I spent 7 hours doing laps on a Highspeed lift on Saturday. Without the conditioning, my legs would be rubber in four or five.

BTW, you see them on Ebay for reasonable prices occasionally. I paid $425 for mine, but I waited over a year for the right deal to come along.
post #13 of 28

Direct me to technology creative ideas

Thanks Strato and Walt...
Anybody do please tell me where I can go for infomation on training or fun devices, not for comparsion, of course. I was looking for supportive comments for my project which will eventually produce a better technology statutory standing machine for basic alpine ski skills. I know about skiers edge. They are still wonderful products for some reasons. Any comments on other devices than Harb carvers or nordic machines.
post #14 of 28
I can't tell you much about other exercise machines. They are all hopelessly boring and the only way one could possibly hold my interest is if there's some clear training objective at the end get me through the stultifyingly boring process of using the damn things.

In fact, other than the Skiers Edge the only exercise machine I'd ever think about buying would be a hiking bench. Which, come to think of it, is about as realistic a simulation of sailing as the Skiers Edge is to skiing.
post #15 of 28
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On my end, I've yet to make the determination as to whether or not I'm able to transfer my new found strength and technique to the mountain in that I've yet to ski since I got the machine a few weeks ago!

I'll provide a bit more detail after my Turkey Day weekend in VT, but I know for a fact, my thighs feel like freakin granite and I've never been the most athletic guy on the team. I will also tell you this, I don't see how anyone stays on this machine for the recommended 20-30 mins...I start to burn out after 7-10 mins of getting on.

Sidebar: I did notice a marked improvement in my golf game (also a lateral sport) shortly after I started using the machine. A couple PGA pros (Hal Sutton) use it and swear by it.
post #16 of 28
Exactly what I have in mind for reaching satisfactory results. FYI - I've already had my prototype built with a better technology. More like a fun but actually training machine. My immediate family and an interested manufacturer suggested a demo at ski assoications or shows. I am risking my investment.
post #17 of 28
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Originally Posted by carronlodge View Post
Hear you have just bought skiers edge, are you pleased with it as I am considering looking for a 2nd hand one. Any tips,.
Carron
I'm considering selling mine if your interested. I have offered it to someone else on this board, if she passes I will be posting it on the swap board. Otherwise feel free to send me a PM prior. Its a Classic III that I bought used a few years ago to rehab an injury and never used, its in excellent condition.
post #18 of 28
Swisstrader, do you still use the machine and enjoy it?
post #19 of 28
Thread Starter 
Yes, I used it for most of the ski season and on average 3 times per week and yes, still fun! I slow down a bit during golf season, meaning I only use it a couple times/ week just to keep everything in check.

I will also tell you that since I purchased the machine and had a couple friends come over to check it out, 3 out of 4 of them bought the machine they were so impressed (wish Skiers Edge had a referral program!). I have friends that are true expert skiers and they were stunned by how closely the movement of the Skiers Edge mimics their own ski technique.

As I indicated in a previous post, I've had a few exercise machines in my time, but this one is simply less boring and repetitive than others and even if you only do some 200-300 turns per days, it will a) make you a stronger skier and b) make you a better skier.

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Swisstrader, do you still use the machine and enjoy it?
post #20 of 28
Did anyone get the QS5 Skier's Edge or upgrade?

I would like to hear some first hand experience.   Does it offer any advantage other than being smoother and quieter?   Does it improve the work out?

I am also very surprised that there is so little savings in buying a new QS5 machine vs buying a S4 + QS5 upgrade kit - only around $70 difference in my Canadian price list.  
post #21 of 28
swisstrader: Speaking of golf,  Fred Funk is endorsing the Skier's Edge.  The company does recommend 1,000 "turns", which is a good combination of aerobic and leg strength.  I think they do have a referral program, or did at one time.

nosnoop:  I wanted to stop by the factory and try the QS5 when I was traveling through SLC last week, but didn't have time.  The company says it is a "work of art" (it looks like it) and almost completely quiet, but I have no idea if it gives a better workout. 

FWIW, I ordered a replacement set of the power bands earlier in the season and the company support was superb.  I think the problems people have is when they buy used machines off eBay or whereever.  The company is upset over people buying old machines on eBay for more than the cost of a new one.  They have mentioned this on their website.


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Originally Posted by swisstrader View Post

Yes, I used it for most of the ski season and on average 3 times per week and yes, still fun! I slow down a bit during golf season, meaning I only use it a couple times/ week just to keep everything in check.

I will also tell you that since I purchased the machine and had a couple friends come over to check it out, 3 out of 4 of them bought the machine they were so impressed (wish Skiers Edge had a referral program!). I have friends that are true expert skiers and they were stunned by how closely the movement of the Skiers Edge mimics their own ski technique.

As I indicated in a previous post, I've had a few exercise machines in my time, but this one is simply less boring and repetitive than others and even if you only do some 200-300 turns per days, it will a) make you a stronger skier and b) make you a better skier.

 



 
post #22 of 28

I've been interested in buying a Skiers Edge for some time now and am finally getting close to pulling the trigger.

 

I'm looking at the All-Mountain RPM designs.  The question I have is just how much better is the QS5 compared to the System 4 models?  It amounts to about a $1000 price difference.

 

The only thing I can find online is that the QS5 is smoother and quieter.  But how much better is it?  Is it worth the extra expense?

 

 

post #23 of 28

I have about a ten year old model, it works just fine. I went to a ski show last year, the salesman at the skiers edge booth was pretty candid, he told me there was no difference between my machine and the new one. The new model is quieter. He did not think the cost of the upgrade was in line with the benefit, unless you live in a condo with sucky neighbors.Is it worth buying a skiers edge? Definitely, much better than a nautilus couch.

post #24 of 28

I am interested in one of these as well, and wonder what difference one model's quietness offers over another.  I find being able to work out on a treadmill or elliptical machine is greatly enhanced by being able to hear a TV on in front of me - it just breaks up the monotony nicely. 

 

For those with older models, can you hear a TV?

 

Has anyone tried the newer one? Is it very, very much quieter?

 

How successful are the various parts in training for different ski movements (moguls, all-mountain, etc.)?

post #25 of 28

I have had a Skier's Edge machine for 10 years, but this is what I really want.

 

http://ski-trainer.com/en/skytec-video 

post #26 of 28
that machine is unreal! i want one. there is a slight problem - the price tag is $45-80k depending on the model. maybe if I wait I can get one on ebay for $30 grand...rolleyes.gif
post #27 of 28

I just ordered a Skier's Edge - the big mountain model with a slope simulator. (Not the QS5). The sales rep I spoke to on the phone told me he owns the "regular" model and the $1000 price difference isn't really worth it for the quieter model, unless noise is REALLY an issue. The regular model makes about the same amount of noise as a treadmill.  I got it because my local hill is small, only 550 feet vertical, so building up endurance for big mountain skiing is difficult.  Bike riding,my other major outdoor activity, does not provide the lateral muscular movement to build up skiing endurance.

 

Having been a bicycle racer, I am used to spending 3 hours riding a trainer. The Skier's Edge is not nearly as boring as doing that!

 

The sales rep (Jason) was very helpful and not at all pushy. There is also a 25% discount for PSIA members.

post #28 of 28

You may well be right, but if one hesitates to use, simply FEARING complaints from next door neighbors that share walls and during times late at night or early morning that can really deter. That certainly did so with my treadmill before moving the equipment from second floor office to basement), so  there be may more advantage than the extra costs would seem.

 

Walking on a treadmill is pretty "rote", but I think where technique and rehab is the goal, avoiding such concerns may well help to focus... Then again if the difference end up being cost prohibitive I will be surely be satisfied with whatever model I can afford!

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