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Colorado Education Level

post #1 of 27
Thread Starter 
Just saw that Colorado overall has the highest percentage of High School and College graduates in the U.S.

Not really related to anything, but just interesting - and I can't help but think somehow due in part to the ski/outdoors industry and the type of people who take part in it.
post #2 of 27
yeah, but Todd, think of this...

JimBobBubba posts his location as somewhere in Colorado. For Pete's sake, he can't possibly be a CO high school and college graduate... CAN HE?
post #3 of 27
Not sure exactly what this means. Are they products of Colorado schools or all from out of state?

During each election we are told that Colorado ranks among the worst in $ spent on education. Perhaps more quantity than quality?
post #4 of 27
I've seen both of these statistics. I would guess it means (a) Colorado does a good job educating its students on little money (I don't think money spent per pupil means that much; I lived in Wash DC for a while, and they spent a lot more per pupil but had horrible schools -- I'm sure there are other reasons for that, but there is no direct correlation between education $ and grades); and (b) educated people know that Colorado is the best place to live, so they move here. It's getting more crowded, sure, but I still think it's a great place to be.
post #5 of 27
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by segbrown:
It's getting more crowded, sure, but I still think it's a great place to be.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Me too.
post #6 of 27
Thread Starter 
I think the western slope of CO is paradise, the SW corner of the state in particular is more rugged, gets more snow, and is less crowded than the rest of the state. My family is based out of The Colorado Springs area - I lived there as a kid, and I think the front range is really turning into an armpit. From Fort Collins down to Pueblo is becoming a 200 mile long mega city! Its smoggy, its crowded, and its dirty - and sure you can SEE the mountains from there, but you are not in them!

Gonzo - I think the troller is from Pueblo, if you look in any Almanac under Pueblo, you'll see that it is the extreme opposite of most of Colorado - and in fact in many areas (such as literacy . . . really!) its one of the lowest areas in the U.S. Also I believe Pueblo, CO has the honor of the highest Alcoholism rate in the U.S. !! My dad had a business there briefly and we would visit Pueblo a lot to check on it . . . its a stunningly depressing and backwards town.
post #7 of 27
Boy am I confused. I took your comments to mean that educated pople were drawn to Colorado. Then you say that Denver and surrounding areas is an "armpit". You think all those smart folks are moving to the western slope?

Or are they just under some kind of misunderstanding of what you so charmingly call my choosen home town?
post #8 of 27
I moved to Pueblo West from MN. Pueblo West is the "new" growing suburb of Pueblo. I did a comparison of crime statistics, etc. before moving out here. Nothing out of the ordinary. We are in the "banana belt" of CO. 320 days of sunshine and milder weather than CO Springs. Often watch the lightning storms over the mountains while it is nice and dry here. 12 inches of precip. and 30 inches of snow anually that stays around for maybe a couple of days. Definitly less congested here than in the Springs. Very nice, we like it.
post #9 of 27
Alaska has the highest per capita number of veterans in the nation and the highest alcoholism rate in the country. http://www.senate.gov/~stevens/pr101300.htm

As of 1998, Reno, Nevada has the highest rate of alcoholism in the U.S.; Provo, Utah has the lowest rate. http://www.refdesk.com/52900fd.html
post #10 of 27
Pueblo West crime rates (%of national average):

Total Crime - 43%
Personal Crime - 35%
Murder - 28%
Rape - 47%
Robbery - 13%
Assault - 54%
Property Crime - 50%
Burglary - 52%
Larceny - 68%
Motor Vehicle Theft - 29%
http://www.crime.com/crimestats/pages/zip_81007.htm
post #11 of 27
Thread Starter 
Kima. I did not say "smart", you did. I quoted a statistic drawn from average *educational* levels between states.

Your chosen hometown? If you are happy, cool - you shouldn't feel personally attacked. I'm not talking from inexperience. I'll bet I lived on the front range longer than you have yet, my family still does. I visit still a couple of times a year. So I not talking out of inexperience.

Boulder was great, Fort Collins was fun, and Colorado Springs in particular was a wonderful town years ago: not crowded, not smoggy, not expensive. When the serious deluge of southern Californians began about 10-12 years ago, things went downhill quickly. Crowds, stress, bad driving, crime and wonderful organizations like "Focus on the Family" suddenly appeared in force!

I certainly think compared to the even bigger cities on the coastal areas of the U.S. - the Front Range still has a lot going for it, in spite of its erosion.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ February 07, 2002 09:42 PM: Message edited 2 times, by Todd M. ]</font>
post #12 of 27
Thread Starter 
Pueblo Itself:

Crime Risk - Details Here
(vs National Average = 100%)
Choose a Category
Total Crime - 120%
Personal Crime - 142%
Murder - 81%
Rape - 207%
Robbery - 88%
Assault - 193%
Property Crime - 99%
Burglary - 104%
Larceny - 119%
Motor Vehicle Theft - 73%
http://www.crime.com/crimestats/pages/zip_81001.htm

Have they built a Berlin Wall between Pueblo West and Pueblo? You won't ever be doing business, shopping, driving, etc there?
post #13 of 27
Isn't it a pleasure to have people tell us where the "armpits" are, which cities are "backwards," which cites are smoggy and dirty. How productive and "tolerant" (and I'm the troller - LOL)

Even though Colorado Springs is consistently windy, even though the weather patterns don't support stagnant air, even though I have never heard of a "smog alert day" or seen any smog, I have been told that Colorado Springs is smoggy.

I wonder what the American Lung Association has to say about that:
The Cleanest Air. Most of the areas that were rated as having the best record on ozone air pollution, reporting no days in the unhealthy ranges, in last year’s report again rated highly this year. Bellingham, Washington ; Colorado Springs, Colorado ; Des Moines, Iowa ; and Duluth, Minnesota, all made the list of clean cities for both the 2000 and 2001 reports.
http://www.lungusa.org/air2001/trends.html#cleanest

a mind is a terrible thing to waste.
post #14 of 27
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Todd M.:
[QB]Kima. you shouldn't feel personally attacked.

wonderful organizations like "Focus on the Family" suddenly appeared in force!

QB]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not attacked just confused why you post a positive remark on education then when 2 people say they LIKE where they live, you felt compelled tell us that we live in the "armpit". Frankly I am still confused by that.

As to Focus the Family. : Gotta agree with you there. Every time I pass the sign for "thier" exit I cringed to think that my tax $ pay for it.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ February 08, 2002 07:12 AM: Message edited 2 times, by Kima ]</font>
post #15 of 27
a mind is a terrible thing to waste.

oh, the humanity!

oh, the IRONY!
post #16 of 27
Thread Starter 
He won't see the irony Gonz!

Bubba - you posted something to argue against my memory that Pueblo had some of the worst crime (and other) stats in the U.S. I posted evidence to the contrary from the very site you cite . . . and you ignored it, as you ignore it anytime somebody hits you with real data. Pueblo West is in no way isolated from Pueblo, it is a higher income neighborhood of Pueblo.

Kima - indeed which is Focus on the Family is a devisive and I believe evil entity. Bumpersticker: If Religious Groups Play in Politics - They should be Taxed!

I like those other bumper stickers we saw around the Springs a lot after FOTF moved there: "Hatred is not a Family Value" and "Focus on your own Damn Family". You still see any of those around?
post #17 of 27
Speaking of focusing on the family...
My friend focuses on the family across the road. They have a really cute daughter (about 21) and she always leaves her light on in her bedroom. With the right telephoto lens, he can really keep a close eye on her to see if she misbehaves.


Is this what you're talking about?

S
post #18 of 27
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Todd M.:


Kima - indeed which is Focus on the Family is a devisive and I believe evil entity. Bumpersticker: If Religious Groups Play in Politics - They should be Taxed!

I like those other bumper stickers we saw around the Springs a lot after FOTF moved there: "Hatred is not a Family Value" and "Focus on your own Damn Family". You still see any of those around?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not so much the FOTF had not been in the news lately so I guess folks get apathetic. They are "acting out" again though. All riled up re: the recent report from the Pediatric Docs re: gays and adoption. Which I had not read but gather the docs say the kids do just fine, thank you very much.

Agree also that FOTF is only after promoting thier morality thru legislation and should be treated as such. Gotta go my blood pressure cannot take to much more!
post #19 of 27
Some things in Colorado have changed for the better in the last 10 years (downtown Denver is safe to visit after dark) but not much and most things have taken a turn for the worst. I grew up near Fort Collins (Loveland) and it is just un-ficking believable how many idiots form California (no offense to those of you in CA)have moved here, traffic is god awful all up and down the I-25 & I-70 corridors What really gets me is people that come from CA, pay for a new house with cash because they made so much on the sale of their house in Southern California (nothing wrong with this), work a bogus job at 7-11 (because they don't have to pay a mortgage and yes this is not an exageration) and because they have so much free time they start to dabble in politics and start groups like Focus on the Family, etc. which we do not need.

What is ironic is that Colorado turned their nose up at the Winter Olympic and declined a bid because Gov. Love (correct me if I am wrong on Gov.) did not want the massive growth that was sure to follow the Olympics after every one found out what "a great place CO was to live" in the 70's. I guess people found out.

I-70 traffic on the weekends is what really gets me though. Traffic was so bad last Saturaday that they stopped letting cars on I-70 at the Dillon exsit for a while because traffic was so heavy due to the Card Board Box Derby at Copper and Ullr Fest in Breck. - frickin unbelievable. On another note, as a result of waiting traffic out at Copper last Sat. we did find some great pizza at a new resturant the Blue Moose at the main base.
post #20 of 27
Todd M. I was aware of the Pueblo crime stats. and I had correspondence with the Pueblo and Colorado Springs police departments before I came out here house shopping. Like every metropolitan area the Springs and Pueblo have their "areas" of low-income and higher crime. Needless to say I/we did not shop for houses in those areas. Pueblo is a relatively small city of 108,000 people and therefore a few bad apples can skew the figures. As far as shopping is concerned, the new/major shopping areas are between Pueblo and Pueblo West along hwy. 50, not much crime or global warming there. I live in Pueblo West, not in the old neighborhood next to the old steel mill.
A little history on Pueblo, in the 80's the steel mill laid off something like 6,000 people - quite devestating, the town has recovered rather nicely since then.

I just don't have the animosity and time to declare which areas are "armpits" and "backwards." I'll leave that up to the more enlightened folks who know how CO2 is going to kill us. Tell us again how Colorado Springs is smoggy?
post #21 of 27
Thread Starter 
Back to CO2 eh? You certainly would be emitting a lot of it if you rant vocally about it as you do here! Since you have clearly stated several times that you believe we are all foolish, why are you wasting your energy on us? You should perhaps be spending that energy pursuing legislation in what you believe.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ February 08, 2002 08:58 AM: Message edited 1 time, by Todd M. ]</font>
post #22 of 27
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Todd M.:
Back to CO2 eh? You certainly would be emitting a lot of it if you rant vocally about it as you do here! Since you have clearly stated several times that you believe we are all foolish, why are you wasting your energy on us? You should perhaps be spending that energy pursuing legislation in what you believe.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why CO2? Because politicians using scare tactics to expand the role of govt. and keep the lemmings in line is the oldest con in the book. Now, some lemmings repeat the lie out of ignorance, the data is available for those who want to pursue it. Think of my data posting as a free public service to free the lemmings.

BTW, another clear sunny day here, look out the front window at Pikes Peak, take a run over lunch and enjoy the view of the Wet Mountain range (I work out of my home, in the 50's again, I do like the warmth). Life is good.
post #23 of 27
I have to agree with Todd on certain days in Colorado Springs you can see a cloud over the Springs when you are coming from the north. Nothing like Denver's brown cloud but there is a slight one.
post #24 of 27
The amazing thing about Colorado Springs is that despite it's growth and congestion, it is still one of the cleanest cities in America (not my personal opinion, but according to the American Lung Association). Being from MN I can see how the active weather patterns off Lake Superior helps keep Duluth, MN clean. In my time here, smog has not been mentioned in the local media, weather reports, etc. We have had wind warnings, but no smog warnings. Aint mother nature resilient? Maybe God has blessed Colorado Springs due to Focus on the Family being there (Ok, I added that to agitate).
post #25 of 27
To me those original statistics indicate that smart people go skiing.

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post #26 of 27
Kolorado Sucks! Who would ever want to live here? Sonny in the Sity, winter in the Hills. So what if i kan't spell.
post #27 of 27
Me live Boulder. Me talk pretty someday.
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