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post #31 of 46
You can judge a base bevel better with a true bar. Hold it up to the light and tilt it up to see how far off the base the true bar comes as it's closing the gap with the edge. Hard to describe, but once you do it a few times it's pretty easy to get a good idea of how big an angle it is. Must be a better description on epic somewhere on how to do it, I'll look. I've heard those gauges aren't very accurate.
post #32 of 46
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=18271

go to post 11 for skidocs method. i miss having him on the board.
post #33 of 46
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=21860

and another interesting thread on bevels.
post #34 of 46
Something is obviously wrong with your current tune and it is 99.9999% it is some inconsistency in the base bevel. (side edge bevel inconsistencoies just don't produce hooky symptoms)

What you ahve described is the exact sympoms of a railed ski or an edge with a hanging burr or not enough base bevel in the tip.

this is why I asked what ski this is on and is your base concave in the tip and/or tail.
post #35 of 46
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Originally Posted by Alpinord View Post
Something like this?

Does that look like slalom to you???
post #36 of 46
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Originally Posted by Buckwild View Post
My right leg and hip are twisted outward but I have a lot of pressure on the inside of the cuff. The slightest inward movement will engage the ski, I have the cuff adjusted inward as far as it will go to lessen the effect.
is this when your feet are lined up parallel at ski width stance? ||
post #37 of 46
Thread Starter 
Yes, but its more complicated than that. My right foot points east (I can actually turn it all the way backwards) but when I flex and weight my right leg my right foot rolls over to the inside.
post #38 of 46
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Originally Posted by Buckwild View Post
Yes, but its more complicated than that. My right foot points east (I can actually turn it all the way backwards) but when I flex and weight my right leg my right foot rolls over to the inside.
I have exactly the same issue. i mean to a tee!!!!

mY right hip and leg are twisted to the lateral side(little toe edge) but when they straighten my feet to parallel, I am twisted and undue pressure is put on my medial edge or big toe edge.

i have tried tape canting, grinding my boot soles, none of it worked! in Fact it made it worse. And I always ski with my right cuff inward as far as it will go. I have learned to deal with it athlectically but sraight running on cat tracks and very wet or very hard icy snow excerbates it.

I have also found that longer GS skis seem to make it worse. I do much better on shorter shaplier skis. And I must admit the there seems to be something about the Raptor geometry that has helped!
post #39 of 46
Thread Starter 
The best skis for me are ones in the 175cm range with a 15-16 meter radius. I too have learned to live with it and adapt, I'm sure not going to take up snowboarding!!!!
post #40 of 46
I do fine on slalom ski, but my other skis like you are a 175cm monster 88 19.2 I do fine on. But like you maybe my favorite is my 177cm SS Speed at 16.6m

I also do fine on the 162 & 172 B5 metron and all my slalom race skis.

i get 21m or over about 180 in length and the alignment becomes more of a struggle.
post #41 of 46

No, that was the other pair...

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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz View Post
Not the ones I have now?
...the pair you have was only a 2 degree base bevel. I had one of the local shops clean them up but they went way too far. The skis ran like they were totally railed. I worked on them, one of my coaches worked on them, we skied on them again, I did the final cleanup this summer before I sent them to you. I'm betting they're perfect. Just ski on them, and if they're not, see Mike D...
post #42 of 46

No, it ain't...

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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
Does that look like slalom to you???
...but those are the kind of angles we're talking about. This is one of the reasons Bode, when he's on, crushes the field in speed events. He can make GS turns in a downhill and cut 15 or 20 feet off everybody else's line. Watch last season's Birds of Prey DH. Down below the Brink, he makes a left footed turn that puts him so far inside everybody else's line that he's got almost a second on the field by the time he makes the right hander below the Super G start...
post #43 of 46
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
I do fine on slalom ski, but my other skis like you are a 175cm monster 88 19.2 I do fine on. But like you maybe my favorite is my 177cm SS Speed at 16.6m

I also do fine on the 162 & 172 B5 metron and all my slalom race skis.

i get 21m or over about 180 in length and the alignment becomes more of a struggle.
The Head Supershape Speed in 177cm is also a favorite of mine, I've owned several pair going bck to when they were 1100's & 1200's. I really want to buy a pair of the 09 Supershape Speeds with a wider waist and increased sidecut! I have a difficult time turning 180+ length GS ski's, especially with more aggressive tunes. Welcome to my world!
post #44 of 46
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Originally Posted by Buckwild View Post
I've been to a few race camps, coachs/Instructors gave me the thumbs up as far as technique.
Sounds good...back to the gear then.

You've seen some good suggestions through this thread for tuning configurations that generally work well. (And some extreme examples to show how far the range goes for special cases.)

To find out what works best for you personally, get a couple of pairs of skis that are tuned differently (e.g. a pair with 1 base/3 edge and another pair 1.5 base/3 edge). If you can work in a third configuration, that might help your evaluation. Get a free run & a race course run with each pair, with a coach watching you, taking video, and timing through the course. Discuss & compare results with the coach after to determine your best setup.
post #45 of 46
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Originally Posted by SkiRacer55 View Post
...but those are the kind of angles we're talking about. This is one of the reasons Bode, when he's on, crushes the field in speed events. He can make GS turns in a downhill and cut 15 or 20 feet off everybody else's line. Watch last season's Birds of Prey DH. Down below the Brink, he makes a left footed turn that puts him so far inside everybody else's line that he's got almost a second on the field by the time he makes the right hander below the Super G start...
I know, I know!!! but I just thought it funny to show a DH pic when you were commenting on SL

How about this!

http://www.ronlemaster.com/images/20...005-sl-1c.html
post #46 of 46

Yes, yes....

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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
I knw, I know!!! but I just thought it funny to show a Dh pic when you were commening on SL

How about this!

http://www.ronlemaster.com/images/20...005-sl-1c.html

...one of my absolute favorite SL sequences of all time...
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