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etiquette at the lifts

post #1 of 27
Thread Starter 
Do you guys notice that alota punks are all over the back of your skis in the lift lines? Both kids and adults are to blame but especially kids.

What do you do when a kid is with his parent and is just all over you. I mean there was this kid that would not back off me. I would move up and he would move up. I waited a while and moved up a lot and so did he; but not undercontrol and skied right into the back of my bindings. I looked back at the kid and then at his parent but neither even acknowledged me; since I was about 3 people from getting on the lift I let it go not wanting to cause problems. Adults usually apologize when I turn around to see who the hell bumped into me again. Is this normal? Worth confronting the guy?

Stuff like this happened all day. The next day upon waxing I noticed the tails of my ski look like I skied on my ski upside down on asphalt while the tips are untouched.

Is this a normal occurance at all ski areas?
post #2 of 27
Happens to me all the time too. If it's an adult or teen, I usually pick up my ski while they are on them and lift real hard.. this usually gives them the hint. If it's a little kid that doesn't know any better, often I'll turn around and get down at their level and ask them politely to ski on the snow and not on my skis. Then smile at them. It usually works. The parents are usually a little embarrased and little taken back probably because they don't expect someone to be polite about it. Go figure..

I figure if they are too young to know, someone needs to teach them and it might as well be in a nice way so they will want to come back. If they are old enough to know, the lifting and twang of their ski back on the snow usually get's the point across.
post #3 of 27
Oh man, try skiing in europe.The last time I was in Austria, if I wasn't touching the guy in front of me, the folks behind would push me forward.Yikes! Everywhere else, everyone is super polite but the lift and tram lines are not to be believed.
post #4 of 27
Yeah, I can't stand it when people ski on the back of my skis. It really degrades the performance with all those scratch marks on the top. I've got this one scratch that's so deep it creates a noticable amount of air resistance.

Get a life people. You ski on the BOTTOMS of your skis not the tops. Scratches on the top just add character.
post #5 of 27
How about the gapers that stand in front of the lift line so you can't get to the lift. : Dchan's right about the lifting the skis.
post #6 of 27
So, you do not mind when people hit your car with their doors in the parking lot either? After all, you drive with the engine...
post #7 of 27
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SoCalSki:
Get a life people. You ski on the BOTTOMS of your skis not the tops. Scratches on the top just add character.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, my car drives perfectly well with scratches in it, but I'd still get pissed if someone keyed it!
post #8 of 27

Agreed but it's just not polite and can be a hassle if you try to move and someone is standing on your tails.. besides what if you are trying to sell your skis later. Doesn't the cosmetics of the ski lower your asking price.
post #9 of 27
Lift those skies! If you ride up my butt, you'll know it!
post #10 of 27
I try not to let it bother me too much. I am not overly concerned about what my skis look like on top (I still want to put duct tape over the top of the manufacturer branding). I usually apply the lift up method and then put my ski back down on their tips and stand on it. After a couple times of doing that they tend to want to stay away from me. If you act like you didn't even notice them it works better.
post #11 of 27
No one likes people violating their space. But are you guys really concerned about scratches on the TOP of your skis?
I view skis as disposable; not quite in the same sense of a, for example, Gilette razor but close. I understand that if I continue to push myself to ski increasingly more challenging terrain that I am going to trash skis. That is just the way it is. I try to avoid it but it is inevitable.
post #12 of 27
this is the real reason twin tips have become popular...it keeps them of the backs of your skis
post #13 of 27
I'm with D' on this one. I lift them up and if that doesn't work, I turn around and ask them to be polite.

Face it that kid has just devalued your gear by about $150. To illustrate, I turn over gear almost every year ..... my buddies skis just went for $325. My skis were much newer (same model) and I got $200 because of the cosmetics ....... the bases and edges were perfect. Those top surfaces are what most people look at. Carry that one more step ... my son is now going through two pair of race skis a year. He generally takes pretty good care of his stuff but If I loose a few more $$ each time I sell ... sorry it adds up.
post #14 of 27
I am firmly in the "Who gives a rat's ass" (no pun intended)camp when it comes to this issue. Look, skis are tools and I use them until they are spent or, in one case, I out grow them. Afterwards, I get rid of them. If I really get my money's worth out of a set of skis then whatever I can sell them for is acceptable. In any case, I mess-up the tops of my skis during my many monumental crashes more than anything else.
post #15 of 27
I paid big bucks for my equipt and like it to look great, top & bottom.Plus as has been stated before, scratches decrease the value on resale.
post #16 of 27
I go through equipment fairly quickly. And teaching, I end up in lines with beginners running all over my skis all the time. Therefore, I've learned to not care unless the person is obnoxious about it.

Also, if you want to keep the value of your skis up, put Ski Saver (that clear thick protective tape) on them. I did that on a pair of skis I had for about 4 or 5 years (210cm SuperGs, so they got run over a lot), and when I took it off to sell them, they were in pristine condition. It's worth the $20, if you're going to get an additional $100-$150 for them. [img]smile.gif[/img]

And that way, as BadRat said, you won't give a rat's ass when someone runs over your tails.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ March 21, 2002 11:11 AM: Message edited 1 time, by JohnH ]</font>
post #17 of 27
I just stand on thier ski tips. If that dosen't work I whack em in the teeth with my ski pole.
post #18 of 27
Due to brevity, my earlier post here didn't state what I had really intended.

We ski, for the most part, because it's FUN. Lift lines can be quite chaotic and, consequently, people will make boo-boos on your skis. There is really no difference here than having rocks fly up to crack the windshield or scratch the paint on your car when driving to the mountain, i.e., it is simply a part of skiing. Indeed, many here have lamented over what an expensive sport we indulge in.

When you start getting irritated over things like this, you cease having fun and perhaps even begin to treat the folks around you a little less cordially. People are more important to me and my skiing experience than my equipment. Moreover, I don't keep the resale value of my skis in mind when skiing; I really don't care about that if I'm having fun.

Sorry for being preachy.

GoodRat [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #19 of 27
Kick 'em in the nuts with my snowlerblades.
post #20 of 27
Well-said, Rat.

I've tried to take a survey among my skiing friends about scratches and cosmetic damage on the tops of their skis. For the most part, they laughed at me at the suggestion that the tops of the skis were important.

No one like scratches on any of their property (furniture, cars, floors, skis). But if things get used as opposed to locked away, **it happens. It is mind-boggling, however, that a person who slides down a mountain at 35 mph for 15.000 vertical feet per day on two pieces of plastic and wood 3/4" thick would get upset over anything that didn't detract from the tools funcionality. What do people expect? Can someone in the lift line actually do more damage to a ski that would happen through skiing?

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ March 21, 2002 04:06 PM: Message edited 1 time, by worldfishnski ]</font>
post #21 of 27
Thread Starter 
Well, I brought this up not because I expect my skis to be in pristine condition but because I expected people would be more respectful than what I actually saw.

Just as you wouldn't rear end someone in rush hour just to make them move up even though they can't; why would you run up on someones skis even though they're waiting in line just as you are.

I fully understand my skis will be beat-up just as my mtn bike does when I use it. BUT by myself using it not by others disrespecting it. You guys that turn over equip at the same rate you change your underwear probably have a harder time understanding where I'm coming from. For my light recreational use I dont expect to be buying new skis every month.
post #22 of 27
I don't care about my topskins, I just use the bottoms of the skis.

However, I don't like the disregard for others displayed by folks who step on them. If its an accident and they apologize, I say "no worries". If they are being pushy, or its an accident but they are not sorry - I call them on it.
post #23 of 27
Whether you have new skis, a new surfboard, or a new car, it's nice to have them in NEW condition for a little while before they get dinged up. The first major scratch hurts.

The first day I had my Dynastars on the snow, a large fool skied right across the tops of them as I was about to drop onto the steepest run on the local mountain. He was out of control, with his upper body twisting and flailing in all directions. He cut a deep groove across the tops of my skis. I followed him down to where he evnentually stopped along with his friends and started giving him an ear full. The guy got beligerent and things started to turn ugly when a ski patrol came up and threatened to pull his ticket. I was still really ticked off. A little while later a small girl lost control near the lift line, sat back on her tails and skied over my skis. She fell, started crying, and told everyone she was sorry. I told her it was OK... it's just part of skiing.
post #24 of 27
hey G.Law -- Careful who you pick a fight with, you may end up in a tree well. I'm aimin' for your topsheets if I get the chance.
post #25 of 27
Midg, Thanks for the warning. Things got verbally ugly but no immediate risk of a brawl. What should I watch for to make sure I stay out of your way? Now that the skis are "broken in" with the first major scratches, I'm more mellow about it anyway.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ March 22, 2002 02:24 PM: Message edited 1 time, by G.Law ]</font>
post #26 of 27
The folks that step on your ski tails in a lift line seem more often than not to be on rental gear. It just doesn't occur to them that they scuffing up your skis. But it still
bothers me.

For most of us skis cost a lot of money. I used to use Ski Saver but on today's multi dimensional cap contruction skis Ski Saver is difficult to apply.

Since most in the offending class don't read this forum, I am curious about what other ideas are out there to limit the damage to your skis short of the threat of violence to the offending skier? :
post #27 of 27
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lostboy:
I am curious about what other ideas are out there to limit the damage to your skis short of the threat of violence to the offending skier?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Since a straight-man has already set this up, here are a few hypothetical methods suitable for passive-aggressives to enjoy:

#1) Keeping the tail of your ski in place on the snow under their ski, lift up the tip of that ski as if you are looking at something or adjusting your pants cuff. Used this way, your ski makes a great lever and you have all the mechanical advantage so their ski just slides backwards off of yours. Repeat as needed. This move can be extremely gentle (i.e., for those offenders that truly don’t realize what they are doing).

#2) Assuming only one ski is pinned, lift the other ski a foot off the snow, angle it back and start to swing the tail back and forth (or up and down) right in front of the offender's kneecap / groin / face. They will almost always back up a bit. Rubbing your leg like you are working out a cramp gets you nicely off the hook. Unfortunately, this approach is only useful when you have a bit of room to work in.

#3) For less passive and more aggressive readers, slide forward, and before the offender can move, lean way back and plant both poles right in back of your ski tails. When they (inevitably) contact them and get flustered, ask, "Something wrong?" (Particularly effective with ‘boarders.)

#4) For an even more assertive approach, immediate escalation to a direct statement like “Stay the **** off my skis!” gets the point across without giving them much of an opening for logical comeback. You simply come across as a real grouch and/or someone not to be messed with. (Caution - Pick your targets appropriately for this method.)

#5) Finally, the full-bore escalation of #1. This maneuver is basically the same as #1, except that this time, you lift straight up - VERY forcefully and rapidly - hopefully enough to catch them off balance and tip them over. If you still want to preserve the full passive-aggressive image, follow this up with unctuous apologies and mutterings to the effect that your bindings have been giving you trouble all day and you just didn't expect anyone to be standing on your skis. You can even go so far as to offer to help them get up.

*I*, of course, would never think of using any of these methods that I have simply heard about over the years.

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Tom / PM

PS - My experience is that this problem is nonexistent with twintips. (Thought: Maybe 'boarders don't realize that the tails of some snow riding devices called skis aren't turned up, so if they aren't clanking into something, it must be ok.)

PS#2 - AC needs to install an icon for "tongue-firmly-in-cheek". The "wink" one doesn't quite cut it sometimes.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ March 22, 2002 11:31 PM: Message edited 3 times, by PhysicsMan ]</font>
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