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Nope - never said that.
Woops, My mistake.
post #62 of 87
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Review Addendum - Big Mountain Test

My previous comments on Volkl's AC50's were based upon limited terrain at A-Basin - a pre-season WROD.

I was at Beaver Creek this weekend, watching the World Cup races on Birds of Prey. Inspired by Benny Reich, I decided to do my best FIS imitation, and snap some high-speed turns down Cinch and Centennial (mostly blue and butt-clenching "double blue" groomers ).

The AC50's allowed me to bank turns at speeds I normally avoid, with calmness and control. I never felt beyond my limit. They were unflappable at my top speed.

The width of the ski (85mm) provides comforting stability and smoothness. On big mountains, the snow changes constantly, sometimes velvety, and sometimes messy (frozen chunks, ice, crud). I like the impunity with which I can venture onto most terrain with the AC50's.

I'm pleased at how smoothly, and easily these skis turn. Although they're stiff, turn initiation is effortless, provided you're over them.

I didn't venture into serious bump terrain, but tried a stretch of moderate moguls. I found the skis acceptable on small to medium bumps. The tips bit quickly and pivoted fine.

On larger bumps, with deep troughs, the stiffness of the AC50's will be an issue - unless you've got the thighs of Hermann Maier. I won't be doing many bump runs in these.

I managed to find some crud between some trees. There wasn't enough to seriously test the AC50's in crud. What I found was easy to manage. They powered through half-frozen chunk.

It feels like the AC50's will be decent, but not great in powder. They have ample surface area, but they don't flex enough to be a floater.

On steep terrain, like Pali's Face at A-Basin, or Imperial Bowl at Breck, I'll take the AC50's over my Gotama's. They grab better, and swing more easily into fast turns.

I'm REALLY happy I bought these skis.

I'm sure if I purchased another top ski in this category, I'd also love them.

But, the AC50's give me a ride that always brings a smile to my face.
post #63 of 87
has anyone experienced tip dive on these? i was on ac40s (slightly different) in 18 inches at Breck and these def were a chore even at speed. and at 177, they def didnt inspire much confidence on dropping off anything of size into chop.

really the only reason why i am leaning to a 184 ac50 (abit much?) or 186 mantra Maybe i just miss the stability of my 193s in pow, even at 78mm waist?

level 8-9
180lbs
5'11''
post #64 of 87
Thanks for this review! It convinced me to buy some from Tom at AlpineHigh. He hooked them up for $700 shipped to washington and was great to deal with. I can't wait till Crystal opens to try em out.
post #65 of 87
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has anyone experienced tip dive on these? i was on ac40s (slightly different) in 18 inches at Breck and these def were a chore even at speed. and at 177, they def didnt inspire much confidence on dropping off anything of size into chop.

really the only reason why i am leaning to a 184 ac50 (abit much?) or 186 mantra Maybe i just miss the stability of my 193s in pow, even at 78mm waist?

level 8-9
180lbs
5'11''
I skied 177 AC40s last season and now have 177 AC50s. Same level as you but 225 lbs and 6'. My take is the same as Strato's, having skied them in all conditions EXCEPT thigh/knee deep powder. The AC50s have significantly better stability in crud/chowder where I found a skittish ride on the AC40s. I was going to move to a 184 on the 50s but am glad I stayed with 177. My expectation is for tip dive in the deep and fluffy due to their stiffness. On those days I will be on my 184 Goats or 173 Shamans.

Falcon_O aka Charlie
post #66 of 87

Fast and Smooth

Wow, what a wonderful ski. Spent the day at Tremblant and figured the AC50 out. It was my first day of the year and to start I was getting bounced around a little from the stiffness,(and first run jitters) but once I found where to stand on the ski and concentrated on being a little smoother, they shone. Super edge grip, in particular if you can get enough weight on the uphill ski. They really love the fall line, much snappier than the AC40. Thay ate the small bumps up and as long as you are far enough forward, with solid technique, firm medium sizers were no problem. They adore speed, but unlike the AC40's are decent at moderate speeds and love transitions between short, medium and long radius turns. Have yet to ski powder in them but can imagine them to be very good, albeit with concentration strongly advised.
post #67 of 87
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Originally Posted by bptempleton View Post
Thanks for this review! It convinced me to buy some from Tom at AlpineHigh. He hooked them up for $700 shipped to washington and was great to deal with. I can't wait till Crystal opens to try em out.
Wow. That's a smoking deal!

I used to live in Bellingham and Whistler. I expect the AC50's will be well-suited to the variable, and sometimes heavy snow conditions of your region.

Up there, and in Tahoe, it's good to have skis that don't get knocked around.
post #68 of 87
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Not a Powder Ski

This weekend we received thigh-deep powder in Vail.

Saturday was the lighter day - only about 6" or so of fresh.

I rode my AC50's in the boot-deep fluff, and they were fine, but not spectacular. They'd punch-through crud, but didn't have much float.

Sunday, the Huge Dump Day, I spent the morning submerged the Back Bowls on my Gotamas. In the afternoon, I brought them to front-side the ski the left-over chop.

Much easier! The Gotama's danced and floated easily in chunk that the AC50's could only blast through.

Yes, it's unfair to compare the AC50's to the Gotama's in soft snow. But, it illustrates the compromise Volkl made on the AC50's, in order to delivery sparkling hard snow performance.

I'll still use the AC50's 70% of the time. They're better for most conditions, and the "day after".

But, when there's 6" or more of fresh, they stay in the garage.
post #69 of 87
Just received a set of 177 AC50's for Christmas and I hadn't done any research on these so am reading up on them after the fact. I've been on Volkl supersport 5 stars for a few years and love them, 175 length. Questions would be, how might they compare? I'm 5'11, 165, mostly all mountain fas as I can go, free skiing in the Northwest with some recreational racing one night a week. These seem a bit heavier but the reviews sound sweet. Would the size be right for me? Too stiff? I would have described my target next ski as: good all mountain ski, good at speed with varying snow conditions, crud, groomers, some slight moguls. We don't get a ton of great powder out here and I will probably only ever have one ski in the quiver.
Anyone with comparison between my old and new would be great, thanks and sorry for the long post.
post #70 of 87
First time poster, long time lurker.
Me: 44 yrs old, 160 lbs, 5' 10", life-long skiier, grew up in Southern CO

I now have 4 full days on demo AC150s and alternated between 177 and 170 in size, in a variety of snow conditions ranging from man-made, HP, a bit of ice, to crud, to 6 inches of fresh powder.

I agree with mostly with CaptStrato's observations.

First impressions - initially, I thought the skiis were a handful, almost too much. They railed through everything, however, after a few runs I figured out where to position myself to get to the sweet spot. Here's my take on the size dilemma, 177 vs. 170.

177: Grippy, solid, love speed, but requires a lot of energy/force to initiate turns. Resists short radius turns. Prefers GS turns. Large sweet spot on edge. I love to finessse most runs with a combination of short and medium radius turns. In this size, 177, I felt this ski, for my size and weight, was better suited for someone who likes to simply blast through the run and make minimal turns at high speed. Not for me.

170: Similiar edge hold, smaller edge sweet spot, but much more lively ski...in a word, more "fun" for my weight and height. The skis in this size, were much easier to initiate turns. I had no problem transitioning from GS to medium to short radius turns. I prefer to link short radius turns together on the steeps and this ski didn't disappoint. This ski requires more effort and attention, but it rewards with superior edge hold and high speed stability.

Bottom line: For my size and weight, ability, and skiing style, the 170s are the clear choice. As an aside, during a more recent powder day, with about 6 inches of fresh, the 170s did remarkably well. I did feel there was a bit of a learning curve required for the powder though. Initially, I attempted to ski in the powder with my normal forward bias, but soon learned that a slight "back seat" to neutral position was more effective. I would never sit in the back, on these skis, on the hard pack. They're too fast and too stiff. First bump, on the hard pack, while in the back seat, and I felt I was about to experience a high speed ejection.

Very solid "All Conditions" ski. I strongly prefer 170s over the 177s.
post #71 of 87

Utah Fluff vs Snow Gun Covered Fluff

On 12/20 I skied 2 feet of Utah like fluff at Killington, Vt. with some drifts at mid-calf. Now at 220lbs ++ I expected my 177's to be nose diving plows. But while they did not float like a butterfly or dance like a bee, they were extremely maneuverable and effortless to turn. They skied approx.6" - 8" subsurface but in light/deep fluff I felt like I was on a much wider ski.

HOWEVER, 24 hrs later, another 2 feet of heavier snow topped with 6" of snow gun powder a very different story. The 6" - 8" sink was very noticeable and I had to concentrate to keep the skis together and the tips pointed into the fall line. Still fun but I quickly switched to my 184 Goats which virtually eliminated the sink and struggle.

Bottom line, the AC50's are very skiable in deep powder PROVIDING IT IS CHAMPAIGNE !!!! Deep Tahoe powder would be a workout and I would stay with a wider, softer ski such as the Goats or similar boards.

Falcon_O aka Charlie
post #72 of 87
My local ski hill had a free demo day today. They didn't have the 177 and I had the choice between a 184 and the 170. So I decided to grab the 184 and see what they could do. Only had time for a few runs on them. Here are some thoughts.

Conditions: A couple days after small storm. Mostly soft cut up chalk off piste and well set up firm snow on groomers

Me: I am About 210 lbs pretty strong skier. Technique is inconsistent, but generally OK. Looking to get a pair of carvers. Prefers skis with lots of energy on piste.

Comments: As strato said, the AC50 has a really nice turn initiation on piste. Pulls you right into the turn.

The skis are stiff and very fast on piste. The torsional stiffness is really apparent as is the tip to tail flex. This is a carving ski that just happens to be fairly wide. They rail long and medium sized turns with out question. The ski has a very volkl feel. Its feel is very similar to my old T50 5*s and the grip is as good.

I took them off piste for a run down some cut up chalk with small bumps. They are really stable and want to haul ass in the cut up. The 184s don't really work well in shorter turns or at lower speeds in soft chalk. This ski works great in crud at speed, at a slower pace they are not exceptional.

In scattered small bumps they did fine, as long as there was some room to manuver and run. I would hesitate to take them into bigger bumps with deep troffs.

Conclusions: This ski wasn't really what I was looking for in this length. I want to try it in the 177 (or maybe even the 170) for my skiing style. The 184 skied groomers very well but the length felt too long at times. I think I am looking for more of a versatile ski that works well in a variety of turn shapes and speeds on piste and perhaps some bumps as well. The 184 is pretty specialized.

If you want a front side ski for haulling ass on groomers and high speed crud skiing on big open slopes the 184 is that ski.
post #73 of 87
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184's would kick my butt.
post #74 of 87

Just finished 3 days at Whistler on my new AC50's.  No new snow there for over a week, so generally really hardpack conditions.  I'm 6'1" and 195 lbs and just got the AC50 in 177 length.  I was nervous because I'm used to 184's but they had no problem handling me especially at speed.  The edge grip at high speeds was really incredible.

 

I would not recommend these skis in hard bumps.  They are really stiff and unforgiving.  Also, not the most forgiving landings if you get any air under them.

 

They generally want to turn long but had the edge grip of a much skinnier ski.  Can't wait to try them out in some deeper snow.

post #75 of 87

I have the old model AC4 2005 in 177cm and AC4 2006 in 184cm and the

184 does give more confidence at speed but the 177cm is certainly not

unsafe in comparison. Compared to a narrow ski I was very impressed with

how much more confident I felt in low visability soft cruddy conditions.

I have had a test run on the 177cm AC50 and they felt stiffer than the AC4

and the wider width was noticeable. I did not feel the difference warrented

an upgrade. No doubt there will be a new model for the 2009 Southern Hemisphere

Winter.

post #76 of 87

 

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184's would kick my butt.

 

...that, and scare me like sub-prime mezzanine CDO-squared super-senior.

 

I usually ski 188 P50 Platinum or 188 P30 RC in the east.  Demoed the 170 AC-50 last week and buying a pair on Friday for eastern "powder," chop, crud, and western everynopowderday.  39 yo, 5'7", & (a stout) 190lbs, half-decent skier but my 8 year old son will be better than me in 2 or 3 seasons.

 

I figure the aforementioned plus either 177 Mantra or 176 Gotama makes for a full quiver for everything but big bumps and the very deepest powder.  I don't really ski enough of either to worry about them beyond renting when I get lucky in Utah. 


Edited by AllVolkl - 3/11/2009 at 05:06 pm
post #77 of 87

I own these skis and can say with full confidence they handle exceptionally well at high speed

post #78 of 87

Hello Captain,

 

I have owned the Volkl AC 50 since it first came out 08-09. Loved it from the very first time! You can rip on this ski to over 70 mph, and still it asks for more! It bites into turns like a grizzly, and when you load it up, get ready for some POP! Its an excellent ski in the crud, hard pack, and light to medium powder. I have skied it all over the US, and I ski it about 40 days a year. I still own this ski, and quite frankly, no other ski has come along to sway me away from it! I race Fischer WC GS skis, but I ride this ski all over the mountain! It just keep on delivering. I keep it waxed & tuned, and she is ready for another day! I have other wider "Powder skis" which float in the deep stuff, but for an all around ski that will not let you down, this ski is my "go to ski!!"

post #79 of 87
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Hello Captain,

 

I have owned the Volkl AC 50 since it first came out 08-09. Loved it from the very first time! You can rip on this ski to over 70 mph, and still it asks for more! It bites into turns like a grizzly, and when you load it up, get ready for some POP! Its an excellent ski in the crud, hard pack, and light to medium powder. I have skied it all over the US, and I ski it about 40 days a year. I still own this ski, and quite frankly, no other ski has come along to sway me away from it! I race Fischer WC GS skis, but I ride this ski all over the mountain! It just keep on delivering. I keep it waxed & tuned, and she is ready for another day! I have other wider "Powder skis" which float in the deep stuff, but for an all around ski that will not let you down, this ski is my "go to ski!!"

Welcome to EpicSki!  Thanks for wanting to be helpful.  Note that the last post in this thread is from 2010.

post #80 of 87

Zombie thread alert :eek

:drool mmmmmm brains......

 

Still a good post with added information for anyone who happens to be considering and researching a Völkl AC-50.  If I understand Fast Freddy's post, it is a ski that is well designed for all mountain speeding.  Not every one's cup of tea, but if that's what you're looking for, the AC-50 should be near the top of your short list.

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Zombie thread alert :eek

:drool mmmmmm brains......

 

Still a good post with added information for anyone who happens to be considering and researching a Völkl AC-50.  If I understand Fast Freddy's post, it is a ski that is well designed for all mountain speeding.  Not every one's cup of tea, but if that's what you're looking for, the AC-50 should be near the top of your short list.


Really, is this  a  good way to welcome a new member?  

post #82 of 87

Telling him he has contributed a good post, with a bit of humour added seems like a good idea to me.  

Do you think he should not be complimented on providing a good post with useful information?

post #83 of 87

Not that I have a pony in this fight, but is anyone really going to be considering the AC50 at this point? It's like cars. In theory one could find a ski with 10 days on it, whose owner meticulously kept it sharpened and waxed all these years, but if you're really in the market for a new ski, are you going to dig around to find a ski that's been off the market for several years?

post #84 of 87

What if you can't afford a new ski and don't have an all-mountain charger?   You might be one of the three folks watching this auction.

Lot's of folk buy skis and hardly use them, or decide the ski they thought they wanted wasn't for them.

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/VOLKL-UNLIMITED-AC50-177-cm-DOWNHILL-SKIS-w-MARKER-WIDERIDE-iPT-BINDINGS-/252504345711?hash=item3aca6e8c6f:g:UKoAAOSwV0RXtVJe

post #85 of 87
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Originally Posted by Fast Freddy View Post
 

Hello Captain,

 

I have owned the Volkl AC 50 since it first came out 08-09. Loved it from the very first time! You can rip on this ski to over 70 mph, and still it asks for more! It bites into turns like a grizzly, and when you load it up, get ready for some POP! Its an excellent ski in the crud, hard pack, and light to medium powder. I have skied it all over the US, and I ski it about 40 days a year. I still own this ski, and quite frankly, no other ski has come along to sway me away from it! I race Fischer WC GS skis, but I ride this ski all over the mountain! It just keep on delivering. I keep it waxed & tuned, and she is ready for another day! I have other wider "Powder skis" which float in the deep stuff, but for an all around ski that will not let you down, this ski is my "go to ski!!"


@fastfreddy,

Welcome to EpicSki!  Keep posting.  Right now the regulars are still mostly who's hanging around on this forum.

It gets quite busy as the mountains open up.  We are looking forward to your contributions.

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Telling him he has contributed a good post, with a bit of humour added seems like a good idea to me.  

Do you think he should not be complimented on providing a good post with useful information?


I think the "humor" was demeaning hence the reason for my comment.

post #87 of 87
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
 

Telling him he has contributed a good post, with a bit of humour added seems like a good idea to me.  

Do you think he should not be complimented on providing a good post with useful information?


I think the "humor" was demeaning hence the reason for my comment.


Oh, yeah — I suppose it could be taken either way. Always tricky, rhetorically, talking about brains. But Ghost's encouraging followup more than tipped the balance, in my pretty professional opinion.

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