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post #31 of 51
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Originally Posted by sharpedges View Post
BPA,

In a whole day challenge, your couple of decade advantage in relative youth over MAC might be a more important difference between the contestants than their technique differences.

Why not save your 100 bucks and use it to feed your own skiing habit (or quench your thirst after a hard day of skiing.)
i was being more specific about lack of rotary, which has to exsit to turn the skis. i still havent seen a pmts guy who could ski everywhere. maybe mac can prove otherwise.
post #32 of 51
This is going to be one very long series of posts on my part. Sorry....I'm a bit Pi$$ed at this.

I have been waiting to see if Mac would respond to my post at this thread, and he just went off line seconds ago without responding. Note the new "hands off" policy from that "other place" on Uncle Louie!
Testing the Bullet Proof thread (pulled here) knocked them all for a loop.

More on that later.

Here goes.......Hang on folks.
post #33 of 51
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Originally Posted by Uncle Louie View Post
Note the new "hands off" policy from that "other place" on Uncle Louie!
Testing the Bullet Proof thread (pulled here) knocked them all for a loop.
Huh?

Seriously guys - NO FLAMING. Keep it civil.
post #34 of 51
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Originally Posted by sharpedges View Post
BPA,

In a whole day challenge, your couple of decade advantage in relative youth over MAC might be a more important difference between the contestants than their technique differences.

Why not save your 100 bucks and use it to feed your own skiing habit (or quench your thirst after a hard day of skiing.)
Well.....BW is right...and so are you Sharpedges. but......

I am 2 1/2 years younger than Mac, in the same profession and we are both from what could be considered non-skiing states, RI and Kentucky. I'm now a recreational skier, as I suspect he is. That close enough?

I'd say Mac and I do 2 runs, one so he fails and has to rotate, the second on the same trail so we get exactly the same results. Make it worth Mac's while $ 1000.
post #35 of 51
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Originally Posted by Mac View Post
Now I can understand why Harb is not very popular on this forum, he has chosen his own road to follow, for better or worse.
Mr Harb (in my opinion) is not very popular on this forum because of his constant attacks on EPIC and PSIA. It offends most here.

Let me tell you what happend on the PMTS forum yesterday. Max-501 posted asking Harald to not lump all the EPIC folks into one big basket as there are some good and some bad here. This was a VERY COMPLIMENTARY post by Max. I PM'd him there and thanked him both by PM and in a post.

I went on to quote Harald on his position that no ESA coach could pass a PMTS accrediation. I noted that it was much the same as him returning to PSIA, adjusting his moves and getting current on his info and pointed out he could probably pass any level exam at PSIA.

Then I returned to the topic of "is there lateral knee movement in PMTS?" Of course post after post said no, many by Harald, so I pointed out the obvious. If the hip goes....the knee has to, though it's passive. I hope you saw my post CarverHK, as you were the OP in that forum. If not...PM me and I'll send you a reply. It will just get deleted there if I can post at all.

ALL those posts within minutes were pulled and replaced with the words "We are not bringing Epic here."

It's stuff like this that causes the bad feelings....and my posts were very to the point and quite tame.
post #36 of 51
Back after Survivor...expect this to go well into the night. (with a few surprises)
post #37 of 51
Uncle Louis, if you need a padded room for you to take on all comers, it could be arranged. I just don't know if the ESA forum is the best location for a cage match.
As for the ski off, I think the outcome is predictable, and I'm looking forward to it.
post #38 of 51
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Originally Posted by Uncle Louie View Post
I went on to quote Harald on his position that no ESA coach could pass a PMTS accrediation. I noted that it was much the same as him returning to PSIA, adjusting his moves and getting current on his info and pointed out he could probably pass any level exam at PSIA.
Isn't Arc accredited. I thought he was a trainer. and yes he is an ESA Coach.
post #39 of 51
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Originally Posted by Cirquerider View Post
Uncle Louis, if you need a padded room for you to take on all comers, it could be arranged. I just don't know if the ESA forum is the best location for a cage match.
As for the ski off, I think the outcome is predictable, and I'm looking forward to it.
Ah....my own forum! It's about time.

There is no cage match....there will be no ski off. I'd love to see this moved from the ESA in Ski thread.

So Cirque, should I address the other things that are derogatory and hurt ESA like "The point is, there is a ton of bad advice that gets tossed around between some of the gurus of this forum"
and "......letting off steam because he thinks they stole some of his material."?

or do we just want to call it a night and move our popcorn boxes to another thread?
post #40 of 51
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Originally Posted by dchan View Post
Isn't Arc accredited. I thought he was a trainer. and yes he is an ESA Coach.
I'll PM you this answer, and post the answer later (perhaps)based on what Cirquerider decides to do with this thread.
post #41 of 51
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How was Survivor?
post #42 of 51
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Originally Posted by SKI-3PO View Post
How was Survivor?
You crack me up.
post #43 of 51
I'm kind of watching the Browns and Broncos tonight on NFL Network. Can we "tackle" this later?

Moving to the general skiing discussion forum.
post #44 of 51
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Originally Posted by Cirquerider View Post
I'm kind of watching the Browns and Broncos tonight on NFL Network. Can we "tackle" this later?
See you first thing in the morning. (OK......left coast morning)
post #45 of 51
My friend over at PMTS told me about the MAX and BIG E post in support of Epic. Kudos to them.
post #46 of 51
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Originally Posted by dchan View Post
Isn't Arc accredited. I thought he was a trainer. and yes he is an ESA Coach.
I'm assuming as Cirquerider moved this thread there is no reason that I not continue. If the mods object....go ahead and pull my posts, no harm....no foul. I'll understand that.

It was further posted at the PMTS site that Arc was not current with PMTS, as that question was asked there also.
post #47 of 51
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
My friend over at PMTS told me about the MAX and BIG E post in support of Epic. Kudos to them.

I didn't see BigE's post, but Max really hit a home run. There is (at least I think it's still there) a second post by Max (I think in the transition of the CM thread) again asking HH to not lump all us Epic folks into one basket and confirming he had friends here.

Good on ya Max.
post #48 of 51
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Originally Posted by Mac View Post
That's not really hate, Epic, that's just Harald letting off steam because he thinks they stole some of his material.
I am assuming the "they" here to be PSIA.

I'm going to say this one more time. THERE IS NO MOVE in PMTS that can not be achieved by some combination of the 3 PSIA skills. You can question the use of the steering skill all you want, but PSIA has always recognized both active and passive steering, as far back as I can remember.

There has been a lot of talk about PSIA being out of touch for the last 10 years. It's all over HH's site. Here is a small reality check. I had a conversation with 2 Breckenridge examiners in 1995 that talked about tipping and not using vertical motion anymore. Correct my math but that is 13 years ago.

I was teaching 2 legged skiing in the 70's (quite close to where HH was teaching) and stumbled onto the Phantom move in the early 80's and showed it to a Rocky Mtn. Examiner also from Breckenridge.

I suspect the arguement could be made that my stuff was "stolen" too. If you clinic somebody....what....you expect them to never show it to someone else. You TAUGHT something....get over it.
post #49 of 51
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Originally Posted by Mac View Post
The point is, there is a ton of bad advice that gets tossed around between some of the gurus of this forum ...
Who exactly are the gurus here. I have my list.

There are many who are race coaches. I am not much of a between the poles guy. I can clearly see the fundamentals though, so much of what they say makes sense to me.

Plenty of Examiners and level III's.

Could someone provide me with and example of some bad advise that wasn't a small misunderstood post because maybe something didn't read right, and or corrected later?

Show me some really bad advise from a level 3 or higher or one of the well known race or big mountain coaches.

PLEASE ....PM this to me. I don't want to publicly single anybody out on this one.
post #50 of 51
It's a shame that the original thread, ESA in SKI was reduced to this. A lot of you will no doubt blame me for it....and you are probably right. I suspect my heart is in the right place though my actions may be a bit over the top.

EPIC has done a terrific thing putting together such a talented group to lead their camps.

So had Harald

So has ESki with All mountian Pros

and countless other camps do the same.

It's a shame the general public had no idea the talent available to them that sometimes even the industry pros can't tap into.

One thing to consider though if you are going to make a statement like this one,
"Unfortunately, the "World Class" instructors here at Epic give him (HH) plenty of opportunities to go off on them."

There are plenty of people with just as much knowledge and ability at another location that can fire it right back.
post #51 of 51
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Originally Posted by DonDenver View Post
Mods:

Please remove my posts from this thread. If not possible or with other options please PM. Thank you.
Don,

That was my last post on the topic. I am contacting Cirque right now to ask that posts be culled and that the original complimentary posts be restored to the original ESA in Ski thread and moved back to it's original location. I'll also suggest a new name for the balance of posts here.

Sorry if offended you.

UL
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