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Mantra vs. Gotama

post #1 of 14
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Last year I took out a pair of Mantras on a fairly deep day after a few years on AC4's and fell goofy in love with them.
(http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=65089)

Since then, I moved out to Portland, OR. I'll be skiing in the PacNW a lot in the next few years, and will probably have a lot more opportunities to hit fresh days vs. being at the whim of mother nature while on vacation for a week here and there.


So, with the eye opening experience that the Mantra was for me, I've been considering upping the ante and going for the fatter, more pure powder ski in the Gotama.

I've read here and there that the Gotama is everything the Mantra is, just better. I'm just a little concerned that the added width will make it slighly less versatile on days when the snow's not deep and I'll be spending time on cruisers and occasional bumps.

I still have the AC4's, a ski that I still love...but I want some versatility out of the Gotama. If it's just a pow ski, I may not get as much use out of it as I want for ~$700. I know the Mantra can be an everyday ski for me (and I could probably sell off the AC4 to ease the new purchase)...will the Gotama? Or, is it really specialized for going big on deep days?

post #2 of 14
The Gotama IS extremely versatile, it can do a little bit of anything... but it is also quite a bit different in 'feel' from the Mantra. The Mantra has a 'racy' feel, metal layers add some dampness and the directional (non-twin) design add to that. the Gotama is much more 'freestyle' feeling. It has a lighter touch and surfier feel, the tail allows for easily smeared turns in tight places but it doesn't feel as solid on edge carving (it WILL carve, the Mantra is just better here).

In my opinion, the big version of the Mantra is the Katana.

The Gotama is a really good all around ski that is fun everywhere.

If I owned an AC4 and wanted to add a 'softer snow' ski I'd look at the Katana, the Kuro and the Chopstick (like a big, reverse camber Gotama). Well, from volkl that's what I'd look at. I think the Scott P4 might be exactly what you are looking for, it's a lot like the Gotama with a bit more 'oomph'... like the Mantra only wider and twin.

Skiing in the PNW you will find these 'specialty skis' are remarkably versatile and useable more often than you probably think.
post #3 of 14
You said you fell in love with the Mantras, so why not go with what you know and love instead of looking for something better? Stick with the Mantras, ski them this year and if they don't do it for you, then you can look for something else. The Mantras are a pretty fat ski (96mm) and while there are plenty here who will tell you that you need something way fat (100+), I think that the Mantras will do everything you ask of them and be all that you need for all but the very biggest days. Even then, you'll still like them, but will just have to work a little bit more. Then again, my fattest ski is a 94 and I haven't seen very many days when I needed or wanted anything bigger. It's the skier, not the ski.
post #4 of 14
After looking at your other post,

" Iā€™m also 6ā€™1ā€, 240lbs, strong but a bit out of shape, and grew up racing in high school with pretty good technique."

A 191 Mantra would probably work for you as a 1 ski quiver. I'm 5'9" 225# and use a 191 Mantra as my everyday ski. Plus the 191 Mantra is my 1 ski travel quiver. I think if you like to drive the tips of the skis into the turn and given your weight, that you will be able to bend the 191 Mantra into surprisingly short turns. Personally, I take them through the bumps all the time.

But, Given that you demoed the 177, you might find the 184 to be enough of a surface area increase without being too big of a length increase. I did have the 184 but it did not give me enough float.

If you can have a 2 ski quiver, I would recommend going to with a Katana (big Mantra as Whiteroom mentioned) for powder/new snow and Mantra or AC4 for everyday.
post #5 of 14
I'd say Katana as well. Similar characteristics as the Mantra but fatter & no camber design so floats infinitely better. Very surfy in the pow, yet still can carve it up on the groomers. Much more versatile than it's dimensions would indicate.

The Mantra isnt really a powder ski, even though it is wide. It skis more like a fat gs ski than a powder ski.
post #6 of 14
As said if you already have an AC4 in the quiver no real sense in adding the Mantra.
post #7 of 14
mnemosyne's lobotomy
I'm also a big fan of mantra and also have 177 mantra as my all-mountain one ski quiver.
Still I can't imagine how you could be satisfied with this length taking into account your specs. You would be much more comfrotable in soft snow on 183 Gotama and even 183 Katana.
Plus if you do have a racing background your everyday ski in PNW should be a 190 Katana. Unless you are a dedicated tree skier.
Just look at HarkinBanks. And ask him if you don't trust me.
Just my 2 cents.
post #8 of 14
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Originally Posted by apeyros View Post
mnemosyne's lobotomy
I'm also a big fan of mantra and also have 177 mantra as my all-mountain one ski quiver.
Still I can't imagine how you could be satisfied with this length taking into account your specs. You would be much more comfrotable in soft snow on 183 Gotama and even 183 Katana.
Plus if you do have a racing background your everyday ski in PNW should be a 190 Katana. Unless you are a dedicated tree skier.
Just look at HarkinBanks. And ask him if you don't trust me.
Just my 2 cents.
hmm...
talking to some skiiers around here the last few days, it seems that you really do need to go fatter with the conditions out here (heavy snow). People are definitely steering me toward the Gots. I know nothing about the Katana. What makes the Katana a more logical extension from the beefed-up GS ski/AC4-->Mantra line of construction? What makes the Goat different?

As far as my specs. I've lost a bit of weight since that post last year. I'm now about 220. Probably will be a little lighter by ski season...although I'm spending the next month working in the ICU so I may get a bit rounder and softer before I can work out more regularly again. Being a resident isn't good for the body.
I don't know what to say. I haven't been on the 184 Mantra so I don't know if I would prefer it. But, I definitely loved the 177. I'm sure of that. I tried the 177 Mantra because my AC4 is also a 177. I had previously tried the 724 Pro years ago in the 188 and found it to ski VERY long...which is why I opted for the 177 AC4.
That was my line of logic. Pick it apart as you will and tell me where I'm going wrong...if I am indeed a little goofy in my logic.

Appreciate all of the responses so far
post #9 of 14
Just skied 09 Gotama for southern hemi season, better than the Mantra as it has the width for the days that really count but still can carve up a storm
post #10 of 14
What I really want to say is that you can't really surf pow on the Mantras. And when it comes to really deep snow days especially when the snow is wet/slushy Mantras are lots of work. As you'll soon find out the Mantras tend to tip dive in such conditions.
So my answer is that you really should make a quiver by gettin' a pair of Katanas for the surfy feeling on the BIG days, keep your MAntras for everything else except ice and AC4's for bulletproof/ice conditions.
Hope this helps.
Bottom line: the Goat is a great ski for soft snow: it's better than the Mantra in powder but worse on hard-packed. Still it won't provide you with the surfy feeling the Katana will.
post #11 of 14
Both Mantra and Gotama are not "powder" skis, even though Gotama does powder darn well. They are relatively stiff "fat" skis (OK, maybe Mantra is not so fat). For PNW I would go with Gotama as a second pair to AC40... For your height and weight I'd look into 190 or at least 183.... I'm 5"11" 185#, skied both 183 and 190, bought 190 traiding "turnability" for stability.
post #12 of 14
The 183 really is a 178. They are shorter than my 179 PE's.
post #13 of 14
I would also recommend Gots. I have both them and the PEs (179s). I actually wouldn't say that they're shorter than the PEs...but about the same length. They definitely ski short...I wish I had grabbed 190s.
post #14 of 14
Agree with the length comments on the Gots, if that's what you're looking at. Someone with a racing background weighing in at over 225#s should look at 190 Gots (or find a beefier ski, like a Dynastar LP). FWIW, I'm 170#s on the 183s and sometimes wonder about the 190s...
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