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6' Under ........NOT YET !

post #1 of 16
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No, I am not talking about trying to "snorkle" thru a huge powder dump.

Ok...Ok.... so this isn't about skiing.

I just watched the HBO Premier of "Six Feet Under." While a little macbre and dark, it also has its humorous moments. It is a little off the wall like the TV show that ran about 8-10 yers ago "Twin Peaks," but also has a little of the strangeness of "Northern Exposure."

Anyway, in case you want to a peak, I think it is going to be rebraodcast on Wednesday at 9:00pm edt,HBO. Yea....it's an eye opener... but a lot more than that !
post #2 of 16
I just finished watching it. Came on to Epic to NOT think about it. Probably was a bad viewing choice for me.

Be Braver in your body, or your luck will leave you. DH Lawrence
post #3 of 16
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Sorry that you found it depressing. Prehaps those "quicky" product commercials, which I thought were cleverly intertwined with the plot, could be a bit much as were the morturary and morgue scenes.

As for me, I think there are a lot of sub plots going on. The carnal and psycological relationship between Beverly and Nate is interesting.A casual laision that could turn into a very meaningful and commited relationship. Is this just, by today's standards, a "normal" American family coming apart at the seams, and for most of us, in a rather unusual setting.

This show could end up to be more intriguing than the Sapranos, which to me is just another "Mafia" story, while entertaining, somewhat predictable. After seeing the Godfather, 1-3, Goodfellows, the Old Untouchables TV series of the 1960's, etc. they all seem to run together.
post #4 of 16
Okay, by episode 3 I've come to a definite conclusion. When I go, I want cremation, and my ashes scattered on the Timberline trail at Sugarloaf. None of this overblown expensive funeral nonsense. I know its technically illegal, but if your survivors could prove that yoy skied frequently at a particular mountain, you should be able to have your ashes scattered there.

On a sort of {but not really} lighter note, loved the duet of Arliss and Andrea Marcovicchi singing "The Way You Look Tonight". A secret: sometimes I sing that to myself while skiing. Gets me into the "flow state".

Be Braver in your body, or your luck will leave you. DH Lawrence
post #5 of 16
I think it's the best 2 hours on television (Sex and the City, Six Feet Under, Arliss).

I haven't planned on being in front of the tube at a certain time since the 70's. Saturday Night live comes to mind.

It's wonderful how great tv has become -- well, HoBO anyway. These three shows are the sole reason why I have cable. Okay, Sportscenter too.

TV hasn't been this good since the 70's. Great to see the creative and the art.

Segue (really?), you won't see me carrying on about brand x anymore. Maybe someday I'll be able to talk about it.

post #6 of 16
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Well Lisamarie,

It depends on your cultural and religious orientation as to what should be done with what remains of.......... our remains.

In the Orient, many cultures believe in cremation. The Judo-Christian orientation is burial, "ashes to ashes..dust to dust."

It is true, there are abuses in the funeral industry, as there are in most enterprises. But I think they have the orientation correct on "Six Feet Under," the funeral ceremony is for the living, a process of letting go, grieving, remembering and then moving on with your life. Frankly, not to move on with ones life, makes what remains of it less than what it could be.

Supposedly G-d created Adam out of the "dust"
of earth and that is where thou shalt return.
Also from a practical point of view, being nomads in the desert, not to bury a body would cause all kinds of complications. Of course cremation was impractical due to all the fuel you would need to do it. The ancient Egyptions had other beliefs and rituals. Talk about abuses, people worked their whole so they could they could be preserved for the afterlife, or they worked their whole liveas to pay for their parents preservation. Whole lives devoted to the afterlife....the funeral if you will.

My sister chose cremation. My brother in law let me have half the ashes so last summer we could spread them in the spot where we had a picnic the previous summer. The irony was that my brother-in-law was in failing health, and my sister wasn't sure if they would be returning anytime soon. So, at her urging, we had this picnic under a huge tree on a high hill overlooking Lake Michigan. Last summer we had a brief memorial service on that very spot. It was agreed that I should spread her ashes. As I did, the breeze carried them away.

Now the winter with its heavy snows, has come and gone. With the many spring rains, and I am sure her ashes are truely part of the earth.

There is no marker, no head stone, no chance of her future grand nephews or nieces visiting her grave side, only her nephews will be able to show their children where the service happened.

She oftened told me of her desire for cremation. It is against what I personally believe, but who am I to interfer with something she so strongly beleived....so it was easy to agree to fufill her wish. Just let your closest of kin know your wishes, and reduce them to writing, so it is clear to everyone. Only problem is, that you won't be there to make sure it happens.... so find someone you trust completely to make sure they are carried out.

Utilimately, if you believe what Carl Sagen said, "that we are all star stuff," then ultimately this planet and all that has happened here will again be "Star Stuff."

Anyway, I am glad that you and SCSA enjoy "Six Feet Under." It is a little off the wall, but you know a lot of us 'baby boomers' are closer to the end of our lives than the begining. I am sure just about all of us have lost someone we cared about, or cared for us.... or a friend or someone we knew in school. So what choice do we have, but to carry on, and make what time is left to us all.... COUNTS!

It is our obligation to do so, to all those that came before us. Many made sacrifices so that we may have the lives, .... we have today.
post #7 of 16
I like the show too.

On the subject of cremation, do you guys remember a few years ago, there was acompany that would put your ashes on a Delta V rocket and shoot them into space? Then, eventually, you really would be a "shooting star". Anyway, I don't really care what becomes of me. I'll be dead then, I don't think it'll matter much to me.
post #8 of 16
I'm just very impressed with the art and creativity. I think the Sopranos is great and I've always loved Sex...But I think Six Feet Under is breaking some new ground - ha ha.

Hollywood is still making great movies and television shows. I'm just glad to see that art and creativity are very alive.

Is that the way you guys see it?

Oh. Is it okay to discuss subjects such as these. I guess it is the off-season...

All the best,
post #9 of 16
Paul, the best 2 hours are the Howard Stern show on E, and the rebroadcast of the same.
post #10 of 16
Caught the Dennis Miller rerun last night and Alan Ball was the guest. He and Dennis got into discussing the show, and his influences. Anybody see that Dennis Miller episode? Has Alan ever been on Politically Incorrect? I 'd like to see that.

6 Feet under is a great show. I thought American Beauty was one of the neatest movies in years. I still watch Northern Exposure on A&E reruns (it's on now).

But personally, I still like the cartoons.

Sponge Bob, Square Pants,

¯¯¯/__ SnoKarver snokarver@excite.com
post #11 of 16

A lot of people who are exposed to a cremation service of some kind end up being a lot more supportive of it, either in general or as their own preferred choice. You didn't seem horrified by the whole thing, so what's the objection?

(I am ambivalent myself , but I am also chronicling the British cremation mvt, so call it occupational interest. The British Cremation Society strongly believed its grounds and facilities would produce converts, after all -- and on the surface, their view seems correct, though I am not saying that's the whole story.)

post #12 of 16
Interesting, SnoKarver. I found American Beauty to be awful, but I loved Northern Exposure. Especially the early years. I was surfing the tube while being up late one night with the baby last week, and ran across Twin Peaks. I think it was on the Independent Film Network (on DirectTV). Northern Exposure was originally based on Twin Peaks, and the first season, or few seasons were directed by... shoot! I can't remember his name... the director of Twin Peaks.

I get the impression that this new show "Ed", was supposed to be along the same lines, but I think they did an awful job with "Ed". I watched a couple of episodes, then gave up on it. It didn't have the strong character base that TP or NE had, and the story lines were lame.
post #13 of 16
John, David Lynch directed Twin Peaks, and I agree with you, I thought American Beauty was awful.

6 feet under hits a little too close to home for me this year, and it probably should not have been the show to watch on a rainy depressing Father's Day in New England. It is, however, extremely well done and thought provoking.

A few years ago, my cousin was killed by a UPS truck while riding her bicycle home from work. Her children held he funeral service in Central Park, where she loved to ride.

Back in March, I had to deal with all the financial and religous politics of death, and it made me really think about the idea of the way we are buried when we die being a tribute to the way we lived. The week before, I had this wonderful experience on a trail at Sugarloaf, and it got me thinking about the idea that we should be buried or "scattered" in a place that has some significance to what we loved in our lives. And those who knew you would see the mountain as a sort of headstone.

Seeing your reflection in the snow covered hill.

Be Braver in your body, or your luck will leave you. DH Lawrence
post #14 of 16
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Lisamaire- "scattered in a place that has some significance..." reminds of the movie, "The Bridges of Madison County."

Lisakaz-I am not horrifed by cremation, its just not appropraite to my cultural upbringings. If others wish to choose it, that's fine with me, I have no problem with that.

Frankly, it is perhaps a good choice, especially if land on this planet becomes scarce. I refer you to a movie of several years ago starring the late Edward G. Robinson, and Charleton Heston, "Solient Green." If you have seen it, you know what it is about, if you haven't, it offers another " solution. "

I hope this answers both concerns. Cremation is fine for those that want it and can accept it. It is a good alternative if personally and culturally you are comfortable with it.
post #15 of 16

Sorry if you think I'm picking on you: just was that you said you had a "personal belief" and I suppose you mean response/acceptance to what passes as culturally mainstream. After all, your sister would seem to be produced by the same environment that produced you, n'est pas? If I wanted to be hard-nosed about it, I just would have pointed out that your two posts display a conflict over something "personal" to something "cultural;" this could be a philosophical debate like when the personal is political or if the personal does end where the cultural begins.

I'm not taking a stand, other than I would prefer a closed pine box (no makeup, perservative, fancy dress, etc.) and as little trouble/expense as possible. Plywood, no wood, whatever would be okay, too. Read Jessica Mitford's "The American Way of Death" if so inclined. Spending $10K+ in the name of "what will people think" is egotistical of survivors and of no use to the deceased. Give 'em a ski trip instead.

post #16 of 16
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My sister and I had different childhood experiences. We were raise in the 40's, the 50's and early 60's. At the time of our early childhood, we lived in an environment of what is now called a "disfunctional family," but now seems to be more of the norm, than the exception. The second marriage of our father, put us in another 'disfunctional" situation. This seems to happen all the time today.So our view points were different, but I loved my sister, and would of course respect her wishes, on important matters, as long as they wouldn't be an impostion on me or my family.

Right now cremation is not for me, but that doesn't mean that I reject it as a choice for others.
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