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A Good #2 Ski?

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Thread Starter 
Hello everyone. This is a great site to find.

I'm a fit 51 yr. old-- 5'11" 170 lb. Road cycle in the summer, spend the fall in the gym. Coming from a background of alpine snowboarding in hard boots and plates. The last few years I've started skiing again, something I haven't done since my early 20's. (on some flourescent orange Fischer Super Sevens). Mostly ski in Ontario, on Head iSupershape 165's or Rossi B2 176's. Guessing I'm a level 7/8 skier, who likes to go fast, but really enjoys cranking out turns the most. I love wide open groomers, powder and trees. Don't like steeps or drops too much. Once or twice a year I get out to BC to ski with my brother, usually a backcountry trip. For that, I have some BD Crossbows 172, with Fritschi Freerides--a little squirrelly at speed, but fun in the trees. This year we are taking my son and going resort skiing in the Kootenays, hopefully Red Mountain and Whitewater. Over to Fernie as well if we have time.

Anticipating this trip, jonesing for deep snow, and beer fuelled, I bought a pair of used Prior Doughboys 175 on-line. As you likely know, they have an unusual shape of 145-105-120 18m radius. So now I'm wondering if I'm going to regret this if the snow is tracked out, and wish I had something more all mountain with me as well. I've been reading the forum for a few days and it sounds like the Mythic Riders might be a good choice as a #2 ski, or maybe the Watea 84's. The Legend 8000's sound good too and might be rideable here in the east on softer days. I would consider taking the B2's but I think they would be too narrow for BC interior. I also find them too lifeless, and always feel like I have to work too hard to decamber them in a turn. Can anyone give me a little guidance for that ideal #2 ski?
post #2 of 11
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Originally Posted by Turnz View Post
Hello everyone. This is a great site to find.

I'm a fit 51 yr. old-- 5'11" 170 lb. Road cycle in the summer, spend the fall in the gym. Coming from a background of alpine snowboarding in hard boots and plates. The last few years I've started skiing again, something I haven't done since my early 20's. (on some flourescent orange Fischer Super Sevens). Mostly ski in Ontario, on Head iSupershape 165's or Rossi B2 176's. Guessing I'm a level 7/8 skier, who likes to go fast, but really enjoys cranking out turns the most. I love wide open groomers, powder and trees. Don't like steeps or drops too much. Once or twice a year I get out to BC to ski with my brother, usually a backcountry trip. For that, I have some BD Crossbows 172, with Fritschi Freerides--a little squirrelly at speed, but fun in the trees. This year we are taking my son and going resort skiing in the Kootenays, hopefully Red Mountain and Whitewater. Over to Fernie as well if we have time.

Anticipating this trip, jonesing for deep snow, and beer fuelled, I bought a pair of used Prior Doughboys 175 on-line. As you likely know, they have an unusual shape of 145-105-120 18m radius. So now I'm wondering if I'm going to regret this if the snow is tracked out, and wish I had something more all mountain with me as well. I've been reading the forum for a few days and it sounds like the Mythic Riders might be a good choice as a #2 ski, or maybe the Watea 84's. The Legend 8000's sound good too and might be rideable here in the east on softer days. I would consider taking the B2's but I think they would be too narrow for BC interior. I also find them too lifeless, and always feel like I have to work too hard to decamber them in a turn. Can anyone give me a little guidance for that ideal #2 ski?
I think the Mythic is a great ski. It's very good at handling practically anything. The Watea 84 is also really nice.

If you like the feel of your Head SuperShapes, you might also want to consider the Head iM88. It comes in a 175cm length and is a very good all-around ski.

It would be interesting to get some feedback from anyone who's skied the Doughboy. With that kind of turn radius in a ski that wide, it might be a pretty interesting ski for firmer snow if it's beefy enough laterally to hold an edge.

Good luck with the choice.
post #3 of 11
I owned the 175 Doughboys. Feels like you'd expect in a wood sandwich ski with a bit of carbon: quiet, handled groomed quite well. Deep sidecut and big taper made them tip into carved turns surprisingly fast; easier and faster edge to edge than Gotamas, but not as much edge bite. Felt damper and smoother than Goats, not as lively. Didn't like very hardpack/ice, but what 105 does? Quick and easy in tight places like bumps and trees, surfy in pow, they like/need to turn, big tip rides up over heavy crud and crushes it. Felt a bit small for serious powder and a bit too shaped for serious speed. All in all a really nice ski with a fairly specialized mission. Would still own them except they ski short, and I ended up wanting more length. Am going back for seconds, either 183 Doughboys or Overlords. Try them out instead of deciding you made a bad decision.
post #4 of 11
Seconded. Try 'em, you may well like 'em. While they are definitely soft snow oriented, they are OK in a decent range of conditions. Without trying to be too precise, think of them as a more powder oriented Gotama - but with a tighter radius

If I hadn't become a reverse/rocker junkie, I'd use them a bunch.
post #5 of 11
Thread Starter 

Thanks

to Bob & Beyond. I will definitely try the Doughboys out before ditching them. I guess my worry is about those big tips and sidecut hooking up on hard groomers, although likely not too much of that around Red and Whitewater. At least I'm hoping. I'll look into the iM88's as an alternate ski Bob, but I'm leaning toward some Mythic Rider 172's. A binding suggestion for those anyone?

I haven't skied the Gotamas, Spindrift although I understand they are very quick turners?. So you're saying stay on top of the Doughboys eh?
post #6 of 11
I'm just saying that the Gotama and Dough Boy are similar in waist size & general proportions. And that the Gotama actually is known for having a pretty big elongated tip -- which is somewhat one-upped by the Dough Boy...

I think of both of these skis as having a sort of middle of the road radius. Wider than typical "carvers". Narrower than lots of current big mountain skis. BTW, the im88 is in the same zone if I am not mistaken.

As long as you have them, just give them a try in a few conditions...
post #7 of 11
Hi Turnz.

Similar to you, I'm a fit 50 year old, just a tad taller and lighter. Had been using my B2's for the past few seasons and, and even though the skis started to get noodly, (is that even a real word?), all was right with the world. Did some demoing at the end of last season but was still happy with my B2's until I spent half a day on the Mythic Riders in 172cm. Then spent the second half day on the MRs in 178 and immediately bought a pair. The B2's were given to my son, and I won't miss them at all, (the skis, not my son.)

All of my skiing is done out west, so I can't comment on the MRs suitability for your local hills, but they were a delight last spring in pow, crud, and groomed; on steeps, bumps, and between the trees. Did not have any truly epic powder days last spring, but the MRs were a joy to ride in 8" of fresh. I can't attest to their performance in deep snow. Alas, I've yet to try them on ice, and trust that I won't have too much opportunity to do that this coming season. I imagine that the skis have a speed limit, but it exceeds my own so I'll probably never find out for sure. I am more than happy with my purchase.
post #8 of 11
Thread Starter 
Bazzer, do you mean you bought the 178's or the 172's?
post #9 of 11
Hi Turnz.

I opted for the 178's.

BTW, SierraJim, a frequent poster here, had several pairs of 2008 MR's listed on his website for about $340.00. Substantial savings over the 2009 version which I believe is the same ski with only cosmetic changes. Not sure about this though but it can't hurt to visit his website for details and to enquire.
Cheers,
Bazzer
post #10 of 11
Thread Starter 
Thanks Bazzer. I pulled the handle and bought the 172's from Sierra--hoping I don't find them too short. Can always flip 'em and get longer ones.
post #11 of 11
Trust that you'll enjoy them. Ski fast, have a great season, and a wonderful trip with your son and brother.
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