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I too have jumped on Kyle's custom ski bandwagon and am feelin' a little lost regarding dimensions. I have decided to go with something in a 100mm plus waist to augment my current quiver - my fattest boards are 90mm. As a long time carpenter/woodworker and lover of tree skiing I'm going to go with a wooden theme with clear topsheets and little or no graphics exposing the wooden core and possibly some snazzy inlay work - so have dubbed them the "Big Woodies". I want these to be my powder specific skis as I think I have all the other bases pretty well covered. My only other criteria is that they be nimble at slower speeds/tight places. Granted some other things such as camber and flex patterns come into play here. Camber is a given dictated by Kyles mold - it is what it is and what it is I am really not sure other than probably somewhere between a little and a lot. (Maybe he can weigh in here). I have some choices in woods and was leaning towards ash and cherry purely from an aesthetic standpoint (contrasting strips). So I have been looking at fat skis to model them after but not having much luck finding the turn radiuses and the calculater does'nt want to work for me.
So I am appealing to the vast knowledge/experience here for help. I'm thinking something around a 180 length but other than that .....
I'm a 5'9" 170#, fairly aggressive level 8 skier.

TIA, 4czn.
post #2 of 13
If any of this helps,

183 Gotamas are 133-105-124 with a 25.9m radius

179 Line Prophet 100 is 134-100-125 with a 17.2m radius

181 Scott P4 is 134-104-123 with a 24m raidus

185 Rossi Phantom 108's are 140/108/120 with a 31.6m radius.

182 Salomon Czars are 131-111-121 with a 44.7m radius.

184 Dynastar Legend Pro's are 128-100-118 with a 27m radius.

What fat skis have you been on? What did you like/not like about them? Is this about the size you want to go? Because 120+ and reverse-sidecut are whole different ballgames.
post #3 of 13
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90mm waist is the widest I've ever been on so this is uncharted territory for me. Reverse sidecut/camber arent within Kyles capabilities AFAIK. Besides, if I wanted to go there I have some old Cut - n - Jump waterskis I could mount some alpine binders on like Shane McConkey did! Which I believe is what started the whole thing. My thinking is something pretty wide with a fairly short radius sidecut.
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...My thinking is something pretty wide with a fairly short radius sidecut.
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=72845

post #5 of 13

Big Woody

Check out: http://www.skibuilders.com/

There is a great deal of information in the forums section. I found it really helpful last year when I made my first pair of skis. This year I'm working on five pairs - four for my grandsons and a pair for my granddaughter.

"We don't grow too old to play,we grow old because we stop playing"
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Ha! Ha! Thanks - I think. Actually the Icelantic Shaman mentioned in that thread was the one that was sounding the most Interesting to me. As well as Black Diamond Verdict, Dynaster Pro XXL, Movement Goliath, K2 Coomba......
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Thanks, I've been pokin' around a bit over there - I'll do some more.
post #8 of 13
here the deal less sidecut is more nimble in 3d snow, especially powder.

I would go little sidecut(like 35 mm raduis) with a very soft tip and tail and that would be the most nimble convential skis you can make.
post #9 of 13
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Originally Posted by 4cznskier View Post
I too have jumped on Kyle's custom ski bandwagon and am feelin' a little lost regarding dimensions. I have decided to go with something in a 100mm plus waist to augment my current quiver - my fattest boards are 90mm. As a long time carpenter/woodworker and lover of tree skiing I'm going to go with a wooden theme with clear topsheets and little or no graphics exposing the wooden core and possibly some snazzy inlay work - so have dubbed them the "Big Woodies". I want these to be my powder specific skis as I think I have all the other bases pretty well covered. My only other criteria is that they be nimble at slower speeds/tight places. Granted some other things such as camber and flex patterns come into play here. Camber is a given dictated by Kyles mold - it is what it is and what it is I am really not sure other than probably somewhere between a little and a lot. (Maybe he can weigh in here). I have some choices in woods and was leaning towards ash and cherry purely from an aesthetic standpoint (contrasting strips). So I have been looking at fat skis to model them after but not having much luck finding the turn radiuses and the calculater does'nt want to work for me.
So I am appealing to the vast knowledge/experience here for help. I'm thinking something around a 180 length but other than that .....
I'm a 5'9" 170#, fairly aggressive level 8 skier.

TIA, 4czn.
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Originally Posted by 4cznskier View Post
Ha! Ha! Thanks - I think. Actually the Icelantic Shaman mentioned in that thread was the one that was sounding the most Interesting to me. As well as Black Diamond Verdict, Dynaster Pro XXL, Movement Goliath, K2 Coomba......
Those are some pretty different skis you are talking about and none are what I would call powder specific. So far you seem to have given more thoughts to looks than performance. You should probably demo at least 4-6 similar type skis to see how design affects performance. I wish you luck.
post #10 of 13
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I would go little sidecut (like 35 mm raduis) [/quote]

35 mm Now THAT'S short! Really tho - wasn't real sure about the short radius thing. Don't know how much control Kyle has over flex other than selection of wood species. I think the Ash is quite stiff - maybe need to rethink that/consult him further.

Thanks much for the input!
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35 mm Now THAT'S short! Really tho - wasn't real sure about the short radius thing. Don't know how much control Kyle has over flex other than selection of wood species. I think the Ash is quite stiff - maybe need to rethink that/consult him further.

Thanks much for the input!
sorry meant 35 meters

but the most nimble convential skis I have skied in powder have been thugs, 192 bros, sumos, fatypus. all have little sidecut and a fairly soft flex.

My thugs are like a Sl skis in powder, now on groomers they are a rad awkward.
post #12 of 13
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Originally Posted by tromano View Post
So far you seem to have given more thoughts to looks than performance. You should probably demo at least 4-6 similar type skis.....
I think you just said what my better judgement has been trying to tell me. Hmmmmm.....
post #13 of 13
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Originally Posted by 4cznskier View Post
I too have jumped on Kyle's custom ski bandwagon and am feelin' a little lost regarding dimensions. I have decided to go with something in a 100mm plus waist to augment my current quiver - my fattest boards are 90mm. As a long time carpenter/woodworker and lover of tree skiing I'm going to go with a wooden theme with clear topsheets and little or no graphics exposing the wooden core and possibly some snazzy inlay work - so have dubbed them the "Big Woodies". I want these to be my powder specific skis as I think I have all the other bases pretty well covered. My only other criteria is that they be nimble at slower speeds/tight places. Granted some other things such as camber and flex patterns come into play here. Camber is a given dictated by Kyles mold - it is what it is and what it is I am really not sure other than probably somewhere between a little and a lot. (Maybe he can weigh in here). I have some choices in woods and was leaning towards ash and cherry purely from an aesthetic standpoint (contrasting strips). So I have been looking at fat skis to model them after but not having much luck finding the turn radiuses and the calculater does'nt want to work for me.
So I am appealing to the vast knowledge/experience here for help. I'm thinking something around a 180 length but other than that .....
I'm a 5'9" 170#, fairly aggressive level 8 skier.

TIA, 4czn.
Sorry, read this this morning at home and forgot about it once I got to work.

How about a 133-99-116, in a 184cm (almost a Mantra, which has a 22.5m radius), the sidecut calc gives 25.7m? Or I could do a 133-105-124 (Gotama, 25.9m) the sidecut calc gives a 28m radius. I was working on these designs for myself. I'm 5' 11.5" and 195lbs, level 8.

Camber is dictated by my mold. It is adjustable for length, and as the ski length increases the camber increases slightly. IIRC, in a 17cm ski I get about 1cm of camber, I'll check tonight. If someone wants to kick in around $50 or so I will gladly make a new mold with a different camber.

Here is what I added to the Custom Skis thread this morning about flex patterns:

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Originally Posted by krp8128
I also WILL NOT include any defects (knots, bad grain) in the core, and my wood strips are one continuous piece. Many large companies used finger-jointed wood strips (shorter pieces joined together to make a long piece) to eliminate the defects found in cheaper wood stock. Here is a reflection of what you can expect from my cores: (ash&cherry):



The flex/stiffness of my skis is primarily a function of their profile. I have to taper to 2mm at each end to meet the tip spacers, but I can do anything in the center section. I do this taper as smooth as possible to give a good smooth flex pattern over the skis length. This is a really rough idea of what the taper looks like:



I can also add additional layers of composite to stiffen up the ski. I want to start experimenting with carbon and metal reinforcements.

If you have any other ?'s PM me or post here, this benefits all interested.
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