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post #1 of 63
Thread Starter 
Flame suite on, leave insults at the door and play nice. If you had to put a binding on your favorite "flat" ski, what would you put your trust/life on? Why?
post #2 of 63
Salomon Z12ti B100. They hold well, they're light, and I only weigh 160 so a 12 din is more than enough. Add the 100mm brake, and it's everything I need.
post #3 of 63
Thread Starter 
Z12?

What about Jesters with the wide platforms? FKS's, Look Forza? Salomon 916? Marker 16.0 or 20.0? Exotic clamps like Vist 614 or 816?
post #4 of 63
I weigh 155! What do I need with 14, 16, or 20's?!? I'll never turn them any where close to that tight! If I had to put a binding on my new skis (which I do...) it will be the z12. Add affordable to my list of reasons why... they're almost $150 less than Jesters.
post #5 of 63
Look-Rossi no others even come close.
post #6 of 63
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by JayPowHound View Post
I weigh 155! What do I need with 14, 16, or 20's?!? I'll never turn them any where close to that tight! If I had to put a binding on my new skis (which I do...) it will be the z12. Add affordable to my list of reasons why... they're almost $150 less than Jesters.
A better binding isn't just about DIN, it is about better materials and housings. I learned this from Highway Star, who I am sure will toss his 2 cents in here. I found this out first hand when I skied a S900 Composite back to back with a S997E Metal housed binding. Both were skied same ski, in the same conditions. The difference was remarkable how the metal binding was so much more positive on the snow. Lateral rigidity is huge on the performance aspect of a binding.
post #7 of 63
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by slider View Post
Look-Rossi no others even come close.
Expand....why?
post #8 of 63
Marker Comp 30... nuf said...
post #9 of 63
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
A better binding isn't just about DIN, it is about better materials and housings. I learned this from Highway Star, who I am sure will toss his 2 cents in here. I found this out first hand when I skied a S900 Composite back to back with a S997E Metal housed binding. Both were skied same ski, in the same conditions. The difference was remarkable how the metal binding was so much more positive on the snow. Lateral rigidity is huge on the performance aspect of a binding.
Hmmmmm... I'm listening. Teach me. (flame if you must)
post #10 of 63
note: I may change my opinion sometime in the next few months with this new binding that I might be trying out...
post #11 of 63
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
A better binding isn't just about DIN, it is about better materials and housings. I learned this from Highway Star, who I am sure will toss his 2 cents in here. I found this out first hand when I skied a S900 Composite back to back with a S997E Metal housed binding. Both were skied same ski, in the same conditions. The difference was remarkable how the metal binding was so much more positive on the snow. Lateral rigidity is huge on the performance aspect of a binding.
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Hmmmmm... I'm listening. Teach me. (flame if you must)
I thought I explained it well in that post, what part wasn't clear?
post #12 of 63
Turntable bindings have the best retention from shock/impact. The others work well but blow off easier. IMO.
post #13 of 63
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Originally Posted by slider View Post
Look-Rossi no others even come close.
Second that.

Complete convert here from long use of Marker (never experieneced Marker'ed out thingy), Tyrolia, Salomon.

Marker - durability problems, major PITA to get back in in deep snow.

Salomon - very safe binding, but, in my opinion, is very "over engineered". Too many adjustments. Not that they are complicated, but as in any mechanical thing, more you can tweak - more weak points, error you can make.

Tyrolia - good quality overall, still use them on race skis, but heavy like hell.

Love Look - light, simple, reliable with HUGE elastic travel.

Cheers,

cfr
post #14 of 63
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
If you had to put a binding on your favorite "flat" ski, what would you put your trust/life on? Why?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
A better binding isn't just about DIN, it is about better materials and housings. I learned this from Highway Star, who I am sure will toss his 2 cents in here. I found this out first hand when I skied a S900 Composite back to back with a S997E Metal housed binding. Both were skied same ski, in the same conditions. The difference was remarkable how the metal binding was so much more positive on the snow. Lateral rigidity is huge on the performance aspect of a binding.
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
I thought I explained it well in that post, what part wasn't clear?
So what you are really asking then, is which company makes the best top-end binding? Because that's a different question from the one you first posted... A lot of the "you"'s who post here don't "have to" use a top of the line binding. You made your mistake by personalizing the question. You didn't mean to ask What's the best binding for YOU, you meant to ask what's the best binding.

I DO have to put a binding on what I hope will become my favorite "flat" ski, and I'm putting the Z12's on them. I stick by my response.
post #15 of 63
Thread Starter 
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You didn't mean to ask What's the best binding for YOU, you meant to ask what's the best binding.
...or "for the money..."
post #16 of 63
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
...or "for the money..."
Touché.
post #17 of 63
+1 on the Look/Rossi front

Construction is top notch, never had a pre-release, have gone to the very edge of safe and stayed in (hence elastic) but have never had a "should've released, but didn't" moment

With Marker, I've had the pre-release issue, but not as bad as others. Always thought they were pretty durable

Salomon, always released/didn't release at the right times, but had a pair fall apart on me many moons ago, had somewhat of a bias against them since then (although I have owned some other pairs since that point)

Tyroliia, only personal experience is with a cheaper pair on a set of rock skis, they sem ok, but I have had more pre-releases than with markers, i should have them release checked

Only binding I've ever been 100% happy with is an early 00s era Look
post #18 of 63
A LOOK or a derivative. I can ski a LOOK at 8/9 and never have an unwanted release event. Yet I can twist right out of them standing still.

Sollie race models (real ones) offer similar retention qualities but I can't twist out comfortably.

Disclaimer: I was the N.A. product manager for LOOK for 4 years.


SJ
post #19 of 63
Tyrolia/Fischer/Elan 17.

(and having just counted 8 pairs on skis/new in boxes in the garage it is ahead of Atomic 614/1018 (6) and Solly 912/14 (5) so the stataistics support it)

Great solid binding, lots of metal no worries with pre-release, but work well when they need to. No issues for me on race skis, normally set at 10.

I will admit to having had minimal exposure to Looks and have never really been able to overcome my dislike of them going back to the old Nevada 17s when (IMHO) you could never really be sure you had properly stepped in. I like the nice reassuring snap in from Tyrolia or Sollie.

I spent about 30 years almost exclusively on Sollie from the 505 onwards so equally comfortable with the 914 just a slight preference for the Tyrolia (although the adjustable toe height on the Sollie is nicewhenyou are playing about with ramp (or is it delta?) angle

Atomics I am Ok with in the higher din models (I have had unfortunate experiences with the heel breaking up on the lower din version). Happy to use them, love the ability to move back/fore, but somehow they just wouldn't be my first choice.
post #20 of 63
Rossi FKS 185 / Look P18. There is a reason people will not give up this binding; it is simply the best. High DIN setting, metal housing, the most dialed in binding as far as releasing when needed and not unexpectedly.
post #21 of 63
Look metal turntable bindings

Model 77 is my favorite, but any metal variant will do nicely.

Smooth release, high elastic travel, positive recentering, durable.

First choice since the 60's
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post #22 of 63
Thread Starter 
Olin Mark V's?
post #23 of 63
Let's stay on topic here....this IS a binding thread
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post #24 of 63
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
Olin Mark V's?
That's a binding


I'm putting Rossi FKS' on my F17's
post #25 of 63
I've had great luck with Marker comp 18's over the years. No pre-releases, and I've always come out when needed.

The all metal design is VERY rigid, providing efficient power transfer.

They have been extremely durable.... I have never broken a pair.

They are easy to adjust and mount, plus I have a Marker jig, so it's convenient.

I really have no complaints about these bindings.
post #26 of 63
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I'm putting Rossi FKS' on my F17's
A truely excellent choice
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post #27 of 63
Jester/Duke for wide skis. Marker 16s or Rossi FKS for narrow ones (I'd like to try the ones with the new heel though).
post #28 of 63
My favorite would be Look/Rossi for alpine - great heel release with good feel. I use the Marker Duke for side and backcountry. Boomber binding, well built and they give me piece of mind when I need it most.
post #29 of 63
Look if you want your skis to stay on (vs the bias of having them release). They even released properly in a crash in snow for me last year. Although the Marker twin cam heel feature allows you to get the ski on in the snow easier. But perhaps that's why it prereleases! Along with the infamous forward pressure setting.

I'm no expert on bindings though, just going on experiences and feedback from shops and those who do know. The Looks definitely felt more solid to me last year using them on a flat ski.

Of course a lot of BC guys like Dukes too as expensive as they are, they make climbing easier and seem more heavy duty in the toe area. That might not be what you are asking for though.
post #30 of 63
Look/Rossi because you can feel how tightly they hold you to the ski. They have better energy transfer, but still release when they should. I also have a couple pairs of Head MOJO 15. They are running a close second.
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