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Talus ColdAvenger - anyone try this thing?

post #1 of 15
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I know this will have me looking like a crosshatch between Darth Vader and the bio hazard guys, but hey, if it keeps me warm...anyone try this thing and with a review?...just bought one for the season and will let folks know if it works as advertised as soon as the VT winter kicks in.



http://www.talusoutdoortech.com/talu...inter_gear.htm
post #2 of 15
No.

I do know such things are not new to market though, have been around for at least 5 years:

http://breathxchange.com/wst_page7.html

http://www.psolar.com/id5.html
post #3 of 15
I'm sorry, but that's just really weird.
post #4 of 15
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I'm sorry, but that's just really weird.
TNF did one a ways back:



Haven't seen it recently; I reckon they agree with you.
post #5 of 15
Hey Swisstrader--I use it! But I work for the company... But just to help you out a little, it will definitely keep you warm! It's endorsed by Ed Viesturs and was the mask that outfitted rescuers during the recent K2 disaster. It was invented by a toxicologist and his expert-skier son who had a team testing it for three years in below-freezing and below-zero ski conditions. It looks intense but it works.
post #6 of 15
outsidehil, welcome to Epic.

Could you tell us how the moisture management works?
post #7 of 15
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Hey Swisstrader--I use it! But I work for the company... But just to help you out a little, it will definitely keep you warm! It's endorsed by Ed Viesturs and was the mask that outfitted rescuers during the recent K2 disaster. It was invented by a toxicologist and his expert-skier son who had a team testing it for three years in below-freezing and below-zero ski conditions. It looks intense but it works.
Very cool...I'll let you know how it works this winter, but already advertising it to friends and relatives....the wife and kids think it's more than a little weird, but I'm way past the age where I'm concerned about what I look like on the slopes...just a matter of staying warm and VT winters are known for killer cold. I've got just about every possible piece of gear to keep me warm from my Hotronics to now my ColdAvenger!

I do have one question for you: when I bought mine, the only colors available were black or white, yet in the pic above, seems to be some sort of pattern(??)
post #8 of 15
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I do have one question for you: when I bought mine, the only colors available were black or white, yet in the pic above, seems to be some sort of pattern(??)
Thanks for spreading the good word--well, make sure you love it first--haha--and keep us posted. As far as the pattern in the image above, that was a custom sewing job for one of the testers. Currently the only colors available are black and white, but deception brown camouflage is coming out next week. Also, there will be different valve colors available soon. Email info@talusoutdoortech.com and we'll keep you posted on new colors, deals, etc if you'd like. Thanks again!
post #9 of 15
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Could you tell us how the moisture management works?
Sure! I'm really sorry to get long-winded and technical...but since you asked...
It's all about the valve! The patent-pending ColdAvenger™’s plastic chamber mechanically mixes inhaled cold air with exhaled warm air to achieve a dynamic balance of warmth and humidity while keeping moisture away from the face. Exhaled moist air exits the main valve and at the same time water molecules are attracted to the thermoplastic material by hydrogen bonding, thus providing a source of water vapor for humidification of inhaled air. You can even turn the valve to let more or less outside air into the chamber at any time. If you're scientifically stimulated and need more, keep reading...if you're bored, please stop now because it gets even techier from here. I also invite anyone to email me directly with questions at hilary@outsidemedia.com.

During testing, at temperatures of - 100F to -230F water vapor inside did not freeze. Technical studies were performed on the ColdAvenger™ to confirm that the final design met the intended quality and functional goals:
• Ventilation Adequacy: The test was performed using a real-time probe measuring percent O2 and CO2 inside and outside the mask during inhalation and exhalation at the Respiratory Sciences Laboratory, University Medical Center, the University of Arizona
Health Sciences Center. CO2 and O2 values during inhalation and exhalation were similar to the normal control without the mask, indicating adequate movement of air through the mask’s valve and no accumulation of CO2. The 02 during simulated exercise varied
from 21-18% and the CO2 varied from 0.03%-3.23%, which are normal values. During both active and passive activity there was adequate oxygen and no accumulation of carbon dioxide inside the mask.
• Breathing Resistance: Ease of breathing was tested using a Dwyer Series 477 digital manometer to measure in mask pressure during simulated light, medium, and heavybreathing. Fluctuations in pressure were ± 0.5 inches of water, indicating minimal
resistance under heavy breathing to inhalation and exhalation imposed by the air chamber of the mask. The test was conducted by a Ph.D. level Certified Industrial Hygienist.
• Temperature: Digital thermometry was used during skiing, walking, and standing and demonstrated that inside mask temperatures were consistently 400F to 600F higher compared to outside. The temperature varied by activity.
• Humidity: Humidity inside the mask chamber varied between 70-80%, depending whether it was measured at the mouth or nose, with a temperature of 660F inside compared to an outside temperature of 50F and 15% relative humidity. Humidity increased during simulated exercise.
In summary, the technical studies demonstrated that the design of the ColdAvenger™ achieved a dynamic balance of thermal comfort, adequacy of ventilation, ease of breathing, moisture
control and humidification of inside the chamber.
post #10 of 15
"Temperature: Digital thermometry was used during skiing, walking, and standing and demonstrated that inside mask temperatures were consistently 400F to 600F higher compared to outside. The temperature varied by activity."

Gosh, I'd be a little worried about a breathing apparatus that increases the temperature of the air 400F to 600F degrees above ambient...





Dave
post #11 of 15
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Well, I promised you guys I would buy it and test drive it, so here's a (very brief) review.

Tried the ColdAvenger this past Saturday on a not so blustery day in Vermont and found the device less than adequate in a number of respects:

o Moisture buildup in the mouth/nose piece: I know the mouth/nose piece is supposed to allow the right mix of humidity and warmth, but I found it to simply be a cheap piece of plastic that was constantly wet, which in a deep freeze environment, was anything but warm!

o The actual material that wraps around your neck is anything but warm and fuzzy in that it felt like a cheap piece of rubberized material around my neck and face....warm yes, but not all that comfortable.

For $50.00, this thing is way overrated and the marketing is way overstated....I'll stick with my Turtle Fur which also ends each day with a certain "smells like me" odor!
post #12 of 15

turtle fur alternatives.

pretty much everyone here knows I am a completely unapologetic fan of the Pinch.

post #13 of 15
Thread Starter 
do you have a link?
post #14 of 15
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do you have a link?

http://www.pinchoriginal.com/

I'm still hoping to hear from anyone with exercise-induced asthma on the Cold Avenger.
post #15 of 15

The mask worked great

I was up on Big Mountain (AKA Whitefish Mountain Resort) today for my first ski day of the season. It was 3 degrees F, with a wind chill of probably -10. I wore the Cold Avenger mask all day and was super warm with no problems. I am one of those girls that loves to ski but I hate being cold. I used to wear a turtle fur but it always freezes on your face... I dont think I will wear a turtle fur ever again. I love the mask - I think it works great and I would recommend it.
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