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After an earlier post I've been doing a lot of digging through the forums, and I'm starting to feel pretty persuaded that for the conditions that I see in southern PA (Whitetail and Liberty Mountains), that it really doesn't make a whole lot of sense to be looking at the mid-fat skis. My goal for the next few seasons is to really work on my carving skills - especially in the short- to mid- length turns - with a secondary goal being to work on my icy mogul skills.

Previously, I had been given recommendations to look at the RX8, Superspeeds and Fischer Red Heats (I was still really considering mid-fats). I know the RX8's are still being made, although it sounds like they are being replaced by the Progressors. Would a Progressor 8+ be a reasonable ski for a Level 7 skier to develop carving skills with? Does anybody have a feel for how stiff the tail is on these skis?

Other things that sound really promising to me are last year's Dynastar Contact 9, and this year's Dynstar Contact Groove, as well as some of the Elan Speedwave skis from last year. Looking at the Volkl, Fischer and Rossignol lineups for this year, is there anything else that I should be considering?

I am generally not the fastest skier on the slopes, but I am probably in the upper 25% as long as I'm not in the bumps. Much of my skiing is done after the sun goes down, so typical conditions are either (a) skiied off hardpack or clumps of powder where the snowblowers are running.

I am worried about buying too much ski for myself. I'm looking for something that will give me room to advance in, but for example, I'm thinking that I want to get a ski without any metal in the build, even if it does impose a speed limit on me.
post #2 of 10
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is there anything else that I should be considering?
Gosh, it seems like you are considering practically everything as it is..............

You have a long and varied list loaded with good skis. None are bad choices as long as you stay away from the stiffest models. However, none of the skis on your list are magic bullets either. None will magically make you better and all are good enough to help you get there.

forgot to add..........

Now that you are thinking about narrower skis, the Fischer RX-8 has a long standing rep. It is not a butt kicker but would likely be as much ski as almost anyone would need.



SJ
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Why no metal?
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
Gosh, it seems like you are considering practically everything as it is..............
You're telling me. My wife is quite tired of me reading ski reviews

The only thing that keeps me from just saying that I'll go with the RX8 is that it will have to serve as my only ski for a while, and I'm wondering if I wouldn't get a little more versatility from the Progressor 8+ that has a slightly wider waist but still the same general intent. Is that an accurate take on the intent of the Progressors?
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Why no metal?
When I say that I'm bad in the icy moguls, it isn't an understatement. I'm worried that something like a crossfire or a speedwave 12 is going to be too much ski for me to use in the bumps.

I've read that buying too much ski, or a ski above your abiltiy level, hinders your ability to develop correct technical skills. Would you agree with this or not?
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Originally Posted by jat View Post
When I say that I'm bad in the icy moguls, it isn't an understatement. I'm worried that something like a crossfire or a speedwave 12 is going to be too much ski for me to use in the bumps.
I live in New England, but spent 8 years or so on the slopes of Whitetail and Liberty, so I know your conditions well. I don't usually ski particularly fast -- i.e., there are some similarities here. I think the Speedwave 12 is God's gift for hopeful bump skiers. Seriously. I was on it the first year it came out, and that's also when I started to love bumps. I'm not a great bump skier by any means, but I do fairly well. I throw my Speedwave's in the car no matter what the forecast is.

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I've read that buying too much ski, or a ski above your abiltiy level, hinders your ability to develop correct technical skills. Would you agree with this or not?
I'd agree with that. If the ski is too stiff for you to effectively bend it, then you're going to have a very hard time developing good carving skills.
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I live in New England, but spent 8 years or so on the slopes of Whitetail and Liberty, so I know your conditions well. I don't usually ski particularly fast -- i.e., there are some similarities here. I think the Speedwave 12 is God's gift for hopeful bump skiers. Seriously. I was on it the first year it came out, and that's also when I started to love bumps. I'm not a great bump skier by any means, but I do fairly well. I throw my Speedwave's in the car no matter what the forecast is.



I'd agree with that. If the ski is too stiff for you to effectively bend it, then you're going to have a very hard time developing good carving skills.
What size Speedwave 12 are you skiing? I'm 5' 10" and 165 pounds (maybe a few more right now...).
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I would suggest that you might be overthinking this a tad bit. A few mm one way or the other is NOT a determining factor in ski performance or versatility. Hence, the differences between the Progressor and the RX-8 are more about flex, weight, sidecut parameters etc and less about the 2mm of waist width.

At this point, I have to ask "what the heck do you want"? Do you want a narrow waisted carver that will excell on the hard stuff? Great! get an RX-8 or Progressor or whatever. Do you want a narrow middie for a little more versatility? OK thatz great too. Get a Red Heat, Cool Heat, Contact 4X4 or whatever. Do you want a wider middie? Again...all good. There is a batch to choose from.

What exactly do you want?

SJ
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Originally Posted by jat View Post
When I say that I'm bad in the icy moguls, it isn't an understatement. I'm worried that something like a crossfire or a speedwave 12 is going to be too much ski for me to use in the bumps.

I've read that buying too much ski, or a ski above your abiltiy level, hinders your ability to develop correct technical skills. Would you agree with this or not?
There are skis of all different ability levels that have metal topsheets or metal laminate. Just avoid a SL or GS racing ski if you are looking for something more forgiving, but don't automatically eliminate an option because it has a layer of metal.
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I would suggest that you might be overthinking this a tad bit.

At this point, I have to ask "what the heck do you want"?

So I just wanted to follow up. After SJ's words of wisdom above, I decided to do the truly smart thing and talk through my goals with the local shop owner. 20 minutes later I decided on a pair of Progressor 8+s.

I then made what I suspect is an even smarter decision, and instead of thinking about a second pair of skis, I visited a (relatively) local ABB-certified bootfitter and replaced my 13 year old Tecnica ski boots with new Nordica Speedmachine 14s. I really want to give credit to Brian at Pro-Fit Ski and Skate in Leesburg, VA for taking 2.5 hours with me to try on numerous pairs of boots. I went with a performance fit (at least for me) - my street shoe size is 8.5-9, and he put me in a mondo 25.5. It's a snug fit for now, but I really can't wait for some snow around here to see how the combination of the new boots and the new skis work for me. That's the worst part about buying ski equipment off-season: having to wait to actually get to use it.

Anyway - I wanted to thank everyone for their input. Happy skiing!
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