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Tecnica XT 17

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
Hi,

I'm looking to buy the Xt 17 in the near future. I currently own a pair of Icon Alu Comp boots. I have a few quetions regarding the sizing of these boots:

1. I think that the XT comes in half sizes only - is this true?
2. My Alu Comps are size 26.0 mp (8 US or 7 UK) so the size i should be looking for is 26.5 right? 27.5 might be too big for me
3. If there is anything else that i should know about the differences in sizing between the two models please let me know

Thanks,

Cosmin
post #2 of 18
There is no such thing as half sizes with regard to boot shells. A 26 mondo and a 26.5 are the exact same shell. The difference is in the footbed and liner (depending on brand). Most shops will only stock 25/26/27/28 or 25.5/26.5/27.5/28.5 since theres really no difference between a 26 and a 26.5.

If you're a 26, try the 26.5 first. If you were sized really tight in the 26 Alu, you may need to go up to the 27 since the XT is a much lower volumn boot.
post #3 of 18
You're right the XT only comes in half sizes. I ski the Alu Comp in 25.0. The XT is a really cold boot. I wouldn't buy 'em with out tryin' 'em on.

Jim
post #4 of 18
I just got my new 25.5 XT17s tonight. Coming from an X-Wave 10 26.5 that was blown out considerably for my high volume foot, I don't find the XT17 very low volume at all. And the platic is SO much softer and more supple, it really feels like the boot is wrapped my foot. On the X-Wave, the plastic was so stiff, that if I tightened one buckle, I might as well have tightened them all.

I don't think the XT17 is going to take very much work at all, and it really feels fantastic. I had no idea what I was missing. I also find it very true to size with a quite thin liner.

If you're on a 26 Icon Alu with a standard liner an the size is correct, I would go with the 25.5 XT... but definitely go to a bootfitter if you can. Mine give about a 1cm fit without the liners, compared to at least a 2cm fit in the X-Waves.
post #5 of 18
My 26.5 XT17s cam with the 26.0 footbed in the box. If you're looking at an XT17 it makes sense to use a custom footbed instead of the stock ones anyway.

Aar
post #6 of 18
Thread Starter 
Thanks for your answers. I already knew that the only difference between 26.0 and 26.5 is the footbed (or footboard) and my Comps fit me well in 26.0 SO i'll try on the XT 17 in 25.5, 26.5 and maybe the 27.5 because i can take home a pair from the shop to try on home. I asked because i wanted to take home the right size and not go back to the shop (it is not very close to me).

Now a have another important question for you bears:
How would you compare the way the two models flex? The XT 17 has a flex index of 100 and the Comp has a flex index of 90 but this is not relevant to me because we're talking about different plastics...

That's it for now, I'll be back in a week or so and I'll also inform you on my experience with the XT 17.
post #7 of 18
Quote:
Originally posted by redcarver:
Now a have another important question for you bears:
How would you compare the way the two models flex? The XT 17 has a flex index of 100 and the Comp has a flex index of 90 but this is not relevant to me because we're talking about different plastics...
I, too, ski the XT17 in a 25.5. The flex index may be relative, but it's relatively meaningless in my opinion. Years ago, I skied the Explosion 8's because I couldn't even flex the Explosion 10's. Today I ski the XT17's and find them just right where the Icons . . . . aren't. :

As you already know, the XT17's are a thin, light-weight, no-frills race boot. And, no, they're not the warmest boot on the market. But they do have a wonderfully smooth flex - that (IMO) isn't too stiff - and offer an excellent feel for the ski.

Pop for a good custom footbed before you start grinding, punching and otherwise fitting the boots to your feet. They look dorky - again, my opinion - but if the XT17's are too cold, buy some Boot Gloves from Dry Guy.

IG
post #8 of 18
redcarver, you may be interested in my review of the XT17 for some details on my thoughts on the boot. I think that you will find that the XT17 seems to flex softer than the Alu Comp due to the quality of the plastic. It does fit much closer to the foot than virtually any other boot out there (it seems like the liner is about half the thickness of most liners), and this also contributed to the sense of the flex.

I wear a 25.5 in the XT and wear a US 8.5 street shoe (the 25.5 is a US 6.5).

One thing to note: in a boot as small as you and I have (and due primarily to manufacturing considerations), you may find that the bootboard ramp angle is too steep for good balance (optimal is usually around 3-3.5 degrees, mine is about 5 degrees even after Jeff took it down, some). There is also toe spring in the bootboard, which may present some balance challenges, as well. One way to address the bootboard angle is with the lifts as Jeff put on mine (see my review for details), but there are others (ask if you'd like some details). Just be prepared to need some alignment/balancing work done.

I do not find the boots cold at all, but I do wear boot gloves with them. Because the liners are so thin, it's likely that water vapor from the feet hits the cold shell quickly and condenses, returning to the feet as cold water--this is what makes my feet cold. The boot gloves eliminate this completely, and I have taught in them at near 0F temps without a problem.
post #9 of 18
wait some more, the new diablo has already put the xt in it's coffin. no comparison.
post #10 of 18
Piston, mind giving us a review if you've skied the Diablo?

I specifically want to know if the volumn/last is more like the XT or the Icon Alu/Rival line. Tecnica boots are getting bigger and blockier lately, the XT being the exception.

Also heard the Diablo has like almost no ramp in the bottom, does it ski well? While I think most boots have too much ramp, I don't think most people are ready for no ramp.
post #11 of 18
Matter, not only are most people not ready for no ramp, you can't actually balance correctly with no (net) ramp. Of course, some bindings contribute significantly to net ramp. There is also a question of forward lean when you look at ramp, and the net ankle angle.

So, any leaked pictures of the Diablo? Any information?
post #12 of 18
i have skied this boot. the production race version now is a more medium volume fit(compared to the formula). the real race version is a bit lower volume. long story short, they ski a whole lot better, finally they have built a zero preload boot (where the lower strap on the upper rests/rubs on the instep area of the lower). this is what gives any boot the snow feel and immediate response that they've been missing. if you look at any racer on an xt you'll see a piece of white poly-e that they bolt on, essentially thickening the bottom strap on the upper so that it makes contact with the lower. the formula was too flat footed for most and they've addressed this with more rapm angle in the diablo. it's worth checking out for sure.
post #13 of 18
Quote:
Originally posted by pistonbully:
long story short, they ski a whole lot better, finally they have built a zero preload boot (where the lower strap on the upper rests/rubs on the instep area of the lower). this is what gives any boot the snow feel and immediate response that they've been missing. if you look at any racer on an xt you'll see a piece of white poly-e that they bolt on, essentially thickening the bottom strap on the upper so that it makes contact with the lower.
This confuses me. I just checked my XTs, and the lower comes a full 2" up the cuff. In fact, it comes up so high that the lower half of the top cuff buckle is still over the lower. In addition, when buckled, the lower cuff buckle rests against the instep of the lower. I suppose that building up the lower buckle would press more against that instep, but it already bites me when I put it on and take it off...

Quote:

the formula was too flat footed for most and they've addressed this with more rapm angle in the diablo. it's worth checking out for sure.
Is "the formula" another name for the XT? Sorry; I'm not familiar with that model name. My XT has too much ramp, so I'm working on modifying that. How much is "more", and is it constant across all sizes or does it increase in smaller sizes (as it does in most boots)?
post #14 of 18
I am also a member of the 25 XT club. I tried on a 26 Diablo Race last week. It looks pretty sweet. The ramp angle seems pretty close. The "magic triangle" is thinner and flatter, like a Doby. The toe box looks to be a bit wider. The liner also seems a tad thicker in places. The boot is transluscent orange, and looks really cool. It was hard to compare flexes in the wrong size, but I can't wait to get my pair.
post #15 of 18
ssh: Formula was the name of the first model in the XT 17/24 racing boot family.
Basically the same boot (view from the outside).
BTW the XTs do come in two different models 17 and 24.
Compared to my very old TNT ther are much smaller, I had to go
two full sizes up b4 finding it comfortable enough (but I did not buy it)...
post #16 of 18
Thread Starter 
Well i bought them and even tried them for one run. It wasn't my best run because i didn't know what to expect from these boots but i can tell you that i could make the same turns as with the Alu Comp boots at the same level.

The manual that comes with the boots is for the Icon Alu (2002 model i think) and it doesn't answer my question: how do i use the cuff alignment? I read that it has a 2 position cuff alignment. I am interested to make the boots flex to the inside.

Thanks
post #17 of 18
redcarver, what do you mean by "flex to the inside?" Do you mean accomodate a knock-kneed lower leg configuration?

Note: mine came with no manuals (direct from the US warehouse)!
post #18 of 18
Thread Starter 
ssh, i was tired and i used the wrong words.

I think that the cuff is set in neutral(?) and i would like to know if it is possible to modify that?

On my Alu Comps i was able to adjust the dual pivot easily but now i have no manual... nothing to follow... so i wanted to get some info regarding the cuff alignment of the XT.

[ March 01, 2004, 01:04 PM: Message edited by: redcarver ]
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