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Wax Plan (opinions please)

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Thread Starter 
Asking for opinions on the internet, in some cases, is retarded, dangerous and useless. Counter to that is the fact that I have made numerous purchases based upon internet opinions with overwhelming success. A few right here on Epic!

Often, like the difference between insanity and genius, the results will determine the outcome.

I have never waxed a ski before. Any maintenance has been done by others (free, paid & trade). I now find myself in beer league with 3 pairs of skis. Plus my wife and 2 kids each ski. I am building a tuning bench (thanks for the vise Dr.D) and I'm ready to acquire wax. The primary goal is to have a decent prep for my beer league (south east Michigan) sticks. Here is where your opinions come in. I am thinking a 2 part system:

Base = Hertel Super Hot Sauce
Finish = Racewax X2-X5 Molybdenum Hybrid MicroFiber Racing Wax

Is my plan good? Bad? OK? What would you do different?

TIA,

Mark
post #2 of 10

Internet opinion.

Decent for warm temps need harder base for colder temps.

I've not used the racewax.com product on fresh artificial snow; it might be good for that or you might need something else.
post #3 of 10
Most WC techs use one or maybe 2 lines of ski wax. I personally believe it's best to use one line of wax all the time (IE- Toko, Swix, Solda, whatever), and really get to know that line of wax. The more you use it, the more familiar you will become with what works in what conditions. There is also a dogmatic mindset that says one line of wax will bind to the same type of wax better than mixing.

If you are prepping skis (particularly those that haven't been skied) I would use a good base prep at first, and then alternating coats of warm and cold wax. This will give you good base penetration, and some harder wax to condition the base against base burn/wear. I like Toko's products, and I would use their base prep moly followed by system 3 yellow and blue alternating. I try to get as much wax in as possible- Wax, let cool overnight, come back- scrape, brush more than seems like you should, and then repeat.

When I prep tech skis they see at least 8-10 cycles like this- speed skis see 25-30 out of the box.

Hope this helps.
post #4 of 10
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the commts Comprex and NE Racer.

With the number of views, and previous posts seen in searches, I anticipated more replies.

I hope I didn't put anyone off with my perhaps poorly worded intro; the useless and dangerous retard referred to was me in the context of wax knowledge. As a noob, it's not always easy to determine the good opinions from the bad. The question was more about me mixing the 2 identified wax types/brands for my intended purpose.

NE Racer's logic of one brand seems solid to me. They will be known to work well together.
post #5 of 10
The only other wax I recommend using with my racewax is Swix. They make a good product and people are used to using it, so I will be selling that line as well this year, mostly for people that like it as a base wax, so I will mostly carry Base Prep, CH and LF. I should have it up by Nov.
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Thanks for the commts Comprex and NE Racer.

With the number of views, and previous posts seen in searches, I anticipated more replies.
Well, there really isn't much to say, because at that level of skiing wax importance is really only part of the game. Skill development is huge. Conditions variation is enormous.

Super Hot Sauce works well for a lot of people on this board. So does the racewax.com product.

If you like further detail, IMO the weakness of the plan is in the SHS as I said above.

Pluses:

IMO It's quick on dirty snow, on moist snow, and on old snow, and presents a cheap pseudo-fluoro in truly damp conditions.

It penetrates bases well, it has surfactants in it that wet out both bases and other waxes so it does blend well with others when the blending is done with an iron. It has lubricants that provide for slide on really filthy nasty diesel-dripped pine needled pollen yellow "snow", the Spring Solution has even more of those.

Minuses;
Again, IMO, it's a terrible choice for a wax of the day in new artificial snow and a terrible choice for a WoD in temps below 25F. Combined 50/50 with a blue CH wax it becomes better in these conditions, but there are faster products out there for this range that require less work.

Again, IMO, it's a terrible choice for layering where the second wax or overlay is applied with pressure instead of an iron, for the same reason it's good in dirty snow- the lubricants in it cause it to shed a pressure-applied overlay instead of retaining the overlay. I would find a different base for corking in overlays.
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Asking for opinions on the internet, in some cases, is retarded, dangerous and useless.
But often tremendously entertaining
post #8 of 10
Hello Trapps. Another good source for information and high quality waxes is Slidewright. He is a Epic Supporter and posts as Alpinord in the tuning section.I have been impressed with his Maplus waxes.His Race Base Medium is my favorite. I have not had a chance to try his P2- Med overlay yet. You can search here on Barking Bear Forums the extensive Maplus Wax Testing done last year. Terry is also a great guy to deal with.Good luck. James.
post #9 of 10
In SE MI, you'll be skiing almost exclusively on man-made. Talk to the folks in the ski school and ask them what they favor for their conditions. You may want to use their choice for speed on your skis and their suggestion for durability on the family skis.
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Hello Trapps. Another good source for information and high quality waxes is Slidewright. He is a Epic Supporter and posts as Alpinord in the tuning section.I have been impressed with his Maplus waxes.His Race Base Medium is my favorite. I have not had a chance to try his P2- Med overlay yet. You can search here on Barking Bear Forums the extensive Maplus Wax Testing done last year. Terry is also a great guy to deal with.Good luck. James.
I'll second that. Terry is a GREAT guy to have on your side.
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