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post #31 of 65
10/9/08 at 2:43pm
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Originally Posted by COSkiGirl View Post
Haha, try working for a company based in the UK but with a large portion it's business in the US. The marketing people have a blast with us!
I feel your pain.

At least you have an excuse. Most of the journalists I work with think they can spell, and it's quite sad watching their little faces crumple up when they realise that in fact Zonko the Wonder Horse has a better grasp of the language.
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post #32 of 65
10/9/08 at 2:47pm
They hate beardless faces too...you're right, stay away, BAAAAAD place.
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post #33 of 65
10/9/08 at 4:13pm
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Originally Posted by Sandgroper61 View Post
I invite you to read
I'm an American. What is reading?

I did see a pretty picture. Seems we're winning, history schmistory:

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post #34 of 65
10/9/08 at 4:25pm
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Originally Posted by dumpy View Post
Only been to Utah once,we weren't in PC or other overly touristy areas, mostly SLC and Ogden/Eden, found everyone to be very very friendly (and many appeared to be very Mormon).


So in other words I'm calling bullshit.

Then again none of us had facial hair.
This makes as much sense as a white saying I've never seen blacks descriminated against!
I have gone to Utah many times over 37 years and experienced it first hand many times. I didn't understand it was caused by the church till recently.
35 years ago I went skiing in SLC and asked the pretty waitress where to go to have fun at night. She replied, "If you boys wanna have fun skiing, go to Colorado." Everyone in the restaurant laughed but me, I thought she was nuts.
I love skiing Alta and have 70+ days there. Also many days at Snow Basin, Snowbird, Solitude and some at Park, Brighton, Deer Valley (food's incredible), The Canyons and Brianhead.
Even if you have a mustashe you will feel the descrimination.
Have also mountain biked many trails there. Porcupine Rim, Gooseberry Mesa and Zen Trail are amazing, Slickrock will make you work. The countryside and terrain are great, it's the church's attitude that's the problem.
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post #35 of 65
10/9/08 at 4:38pm
So far I haven't had any issues with my facial hair.

Back hair, that's a different story....
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post #36 of 65
10/9/08 at 4:39pm
I didn't know Marie Osmond waited tables. I have nothing against Mormons or Utah other than I don't agree with their rhetoric. If they have something against me I could care less. However, based on feedback I've heard it is about the last place I'd take my young kids on vacation.
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post #37 of 65
10/9/08 at 4:49pm
I think you've received bad feedback...Park City is a great town to take kids skiing. Only place out west that I would say is better would be Steamboat Springs.

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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post
I didn't know Marie Osmond waited tables. I have nothing against Mormons or Utah other than I don't agree with their rhetoric. If they have something against me I could care less. However, based on feedback I've heard it is about the last place I'd take my young kids on vacation.
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post #38 of 65
10/9/08 at 5:03pm
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Originally Posted by skeeee View Post
This makes as much sense as a white saying I've never seen blacks descriminated against!
I have gone to Utah many times over 37 years and experienced it first hand many times. I didn't understand it was caused by the church till recently.
35 years ago I went skiing in SLC and asked the pretty waitress where to go to have fun at night. She replied, "If you boys wanna have fun skiing, go to Colorado." Everyone in the restaurant laughed but me, I thought she was nuts.
I love skiing Alta and have 70+ days there. Also many days at Snow Basin, Snowbird, Solitude and some at Park, Brighton, Deer Valley (food's incredible), The Canyons and Brianhead.
Even if you have a mustashe you will feel the descrimination.
Have also mountain biked many trails there. Porcupine Rim, Gooseberry Mesa and Zen Trail are amazing, Slickrock will make you work. The countryside and terrain are great, it's the church's attitude that's the problem.
Maybe it's your poor attitude? Aside from Queer Valley, I've never been victimised by the LDS.
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post #39 of 65
10/9/08 at 5:16pm
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Originally Posted by Capman View Post
I think you've received bad feedback...Park City is a great town to take kids skiing. Only place out west that I would say is better would be Steamboat Springs.
I see that they do have a few other churches in Park City we could visit on Sunday.

I guess there are a couple of other places that I would pick Utah over. France or Quebec for example

FWIW, Steamboat is WAY at the top of my list of places to take the kids someday. This spring will most likely DisneyWorld, hoping Steamboat on Feb of 010.
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post #40 of 65
10/9/08 at 6:22pm
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Originally Posted by skeeee View Post
The countryside and terrain are great, it's the church's attitude that's the problem.
But who cares about "the church"?

Unless, you're Momon. Then you might care. But the rest of us don't.
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post #41 of 65
10/9/08 at 6:57pm
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Originally Posted by at_nyc View Post
But who cares about "the church"?

Unless, you're Momon. Then you might care. But the rest of us don't.
It is possible to "care" while not simultaneously imagining sleights against bearded people. And I assure you that some people do. You don't speak for everyone. Now stop feeding trolls.
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post #42 of 65
10/9/08 at 7:21pm
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Originally Posted by Sandgroper61 View Post
I started to read the article and immediately realize it was either written by complete morons or those looking to thin the heard:

"visitors are informed that in the United Kingdom traffic drives on the left-hand side of the road. In the interests of safety, you are advised to practise this in your country of origin for a week or two before driving in the UK.”
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post #43 of 65
10/9/08 at 7:42pm
It's like skiing (or traveling) anywhere, you have to deal with the local culture. If you ski in South America everyone speaks Spanish, if you stay in Salt Lake City the culture is prevaded with Mormon values, both of which can be pretty strange if you are not prepared for them. You buy your ticket and you take your chances. Welcome to the real world.
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post #44 of 65
10/9/08 at 8:25pm
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Originally Posted by Garrett View Post
You don't speak for everyone. Now stop feeding trolls.
Not "everybody", only some.

You just did your part (feed the troll). So stop telling others not to.
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post #45 of 65
10/9/08 at 11:03pm
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Originally Posted by mudfoot View Post
It's like skiing (or traveling) anywhere, you have to deal with the local culture. If you ski in South America everyone speaks Spanish, if you stay in Salt Lake City the culture is prevaded with Mormon values, both of which can be pretty strange if you are not prepared for them. You buy your ticket and you take your chances. Welcome to the real world.
Actually Salt Lake is a lot less than 50% practicing Mormons, and up in the mountains the Mormon influence is barely noticeable at all. In Provo and the outlying suburbs like Sandy it may be more of an issue, but just about all the Mormons I've interacted with have been very tolerant and accepting. The younger ones in particular realize that more and more people are coming here who are not LDS, and who have a different lifestyle, and it's just not a big deal.
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post #46 of 65
10/10/08 at 12:03am
If you go to a place expecting to be discriminated against, you probably will be, or at least feel like you are at some point. Not because of the people, but because of your attitude towards them.

Mormons aren't usually the type to cast the first stone. Especially over something as small as facial hair. In fact, many Mormons have facial hair. I know a few! It's not a big deal in the church.

I find it hard to believe that Mormons are treating you poorly because you have facial hair. Mormons are taught from when they are 2 years old to be kind to everyone and set a good example for the church. I'm not saying that there aren't a few bad apples, but the majority of Mormons will be kind or at least tolerable of others that don't share their faith. Besides, being rude to someone isn't the best way to go about converting them.

If the skiing is worth dealing with your personal problems with Mormons, then you have nothing to complain about. If it isn't, then I agree with the pretty waitress. Colorado isn't too far away.
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post #47 of 65
10/10/08 at 5:44am
I'm happy to see that the annual Utah/LDS thread is being addressed early this year.

Now that this is covered we can get back to the real reason we are on this forum.
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post #48 of 65
10/10/08 at 6:14am
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Originally Posted by skeeee View Post
This makes as much sense as a white saying I've never seen blacks descriminated against!
I have gone to Utah many times over 37 years and experienced it first hand many times. I didn't understand it was caused by the church till recently.
35 years ago I went skiing in SLC and asked the pretty waitress where to go to have fun at night. She replied, "If you boys wanna have fun skiing, go to Colorado." Everyone in the restaurant laughed but me, I thought she was nuts.
I love skiing Alta and have 70+ days there. Also many days at Snow Basin, Snowbird, Solitude and some at Park, Brighton, Deer Valley (food's incredible), The Canyons and Brianhead.
Even if you have a mustashe you will feel the descrimination.
Have also mountain biked many trails there. Porcupine Rim, Gooseberry Mesa and Zen Trail are amazing, Slickrock will make you work. The countryside and terrain are great, it's the church's attitude that's the problem.
Sure my experience in Utah may be limited, but I'd say the cumulative visits from the rest of us outnumber yours. Even the cumulative experience of the bearded Bears is probably more than yours. You seem to be pretty much the only one experiencing this discrimination.

The waitress thing actually sounds like a joke, a rather funny one at that. She was making fun of the non existent night life. Big deal, that is one thing I think travelers to Utah have to expect going in, it's not exactly New Orleans. Before I went, somebody made the joke that I might as well be going on vacation in Saudi Arabia.

Maybe you were discriminated against, but I think that Mormons don't like bad spellers, not people with beards.

that being said, I hope you never experience this discrimination again.
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post #49 of 65
10/10/08 at 6:23am
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Originally Posted by Capman View Post
So far I haven't had any issues with my facial hair.

Back hair, that's a different story....
Ahh, but if you find yourself with an LDS member where your backhair is on display you're already breaking all kinds church tenets - perhaps that's the problem.


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Maybe it's your poor attitude? Aside from Queer Valley, I've never been victimised by the LDS.
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post #50 of 65
10/10/08 at 6:56am
I have a beard and some shaggy hair. I'm also loud, obnoxious and hang out with a group of guys who think we are still in a fraternity. We slam beers and shots all night long. We hit on all the local women. I too have noticed some prejudice because of my beard. Crazy isn't it.
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post #51 of 65
10/10/08 at 6:59am
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Originally Posted by cinnabon View Post
Actually Salt Lake is a lot less than 50% practicing Mormons, and up in the mountains the Mormon influence is barely noticeable at all. In Provo and the outlying suburbs like Sandy it may be more of an issue, but just about all the Mormons I've interacted with have been very tolerant and accepting. The younger ones in particular realize that more and more people are coming here who are not LDS, and who have a different lifestyle, and it's just not a big deal.
I don't doubt your percentage numbers, but LDS still controls the politics and most of the $$ in SLC. Try getting a job as a police officer or other public official (or buying a beer) and the level of their control becomes pretty apparent. As long as you stay up at the ski resorts it is not really noticeable, but the town is still owned and run by the church, regardless of the rising non-mormon population.
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post #52 of 65
10/10/08 at 7:22am
I'm not LDS, but me or my 5 wives don't notice a problem here.
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post #53 of 65
10/10/08 at 7:48am
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I'm not LDS, but me or my 5 wives don't notice a problem here.
Ahhh you must be FLDS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLDS
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post #54 of 65
10/10/08 at 8:38am
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Originally Posted by dumpy;970043
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"visitors are informed that in the United Kingdom traffic drives on the left-hand side of the road. In the interests of safety, you are advised to practise this in your country of origin for a week or two before driving in the UK.”[/i]

Oooh my.
It's too funny to be true, it's got to be a joke!

[mod hat]Friendly reminder... I see that some poster think this thread should go straight to pht. Since the "tone" is been "light" so far, let's keep it this way so that we can have some chuckle before the realization that it's still 2 full months before I'll be able to see snow under my skis...booo hooo [/mod hat]
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post #55 of 65
10/10/08 at 9:09am
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post #56 of 65
10/10/08 at 10:15am
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[mod hat]I see that some poster think this thread should go straight to pht. Since the "tone" is been "light" so far, let's keep it this way so that we can have some chuckle before the realization that it's still 2 full months before I'll be able to see snow under my skis...booo hooo [/mod hat]

I know I'll get JONGED for this, but what the hell is pht??

Is that where lame, intolerant,bickering and boring threads that I can't believe I've spent this much time on go?
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post #57 of 65
10/10/08 at 10:33am
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Originally Posted by dumpy View Post
I know I'll get JONGED for this, but what the hell is pht??

Is that where lame, intolerant,bickering and boring threads that I can't believe I've spent this much time on go?
Nah, it's just where they stuff the discriminatory crap.
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post #58 of 65
10/10/08 at 10:33am
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I know I'll get JONGED for this, but what the hell is pht??

Is that where lame, intolerant,bickering and boring threads that I can't believe I've spent this much time on go?
Correctomundo!

pht = Politics and Hot Topics

It's a forum that exists within the group of forums (fora?) that are only available to EpicSki Supporters. It was established because there are a bunch of us who love to argue about politics and religion and fat skis/skinny skis (or wait, that's the Gear Section) but we don't necessarily want to expose the regular members to these nauseating debates. PHT has almost no moderation and practically anything goes.

Religion threads typically get exiled to PHT because of the potential for insults and hurt feelings, but this particular thread has stayed relatively lighthearted SO FAR so it hasn't been moved.

Speaking of insults, I'll politely point out that the religion in question prefers to be called the Church of Latter Day Saints and its members really should be referred to as LDS members rather than Mormons. It's a point of civility and respect.
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post #59 of 65
10/10/08 at 10:33am
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Originally Posted by mudfoot View Post
LDS still controls the politics and most of the $$ in SLC.
Like most outsiders you are probably confusing the politics of SLC with the politics of the metropolitan area and the state in general. Sandy, Murray, Midvale, etc, are not SLC. Ever hear of Rocky Anderson? If not, get thee to the Google.
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post #60 of 65
10/10/08 at 10:49am
I have lived in several areas in our great land and I have to say that people in Utah are probably among the most civil I have ever encountered.

The thought of beard discrimination in our great state is laughable. I have grown beards over the years here in the beehive state and have never experienced discrimination, ever. Quite the opposite. In fact, I have noticed that many women like beards, which I found pleasing, but never discrimination.

What Mormons in Utah don't like is my Tourette's.
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