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post #1 of 42
Thread Starter 
If you have time and the inclination I'm interested in some entirely subjective feedback on that grey area between being, say, an (upper level) Intermediate skier and an (early level) Advanced skier.
You experts might remember your own "transition," murky as it was. Again, this can't be objective, and I want to stay away from the number ratings system. Was it just a "feel," a new confidence in the face of what used to be challenging, if not scary, terrain? Was it simply that you had an epiphany in the bumps? Speak!
What specifics might separate Intermediate from Advanced (besides "the advanced skier is the better skier")? There's enough mention of The Terminal Intermediate that I'm wondering what, then, marks that type from the next step up? When and why did you feel oneday that, Hey, I'm no longer an Intermediate skier. (And, if you like, what was the jump that led you to believe your skills were strong enough that you could ski with others you knew were Expert?)
Ramble on.
post #2 of 42
I've always defined it as the difference between "surviving a run" and "skiing a run".

How many times have you heard the typical
one-week-a-year destination skier bragging
in at the pub that he/she did a double black
(meaning they got down it and survived)?

The transition from intermediate to advanced
comes at the point that one is no longer intimidated (and thus does not ski differently) when terrain and snow conditions
get tougher.
post #3 of 42
I really don't recall much about the transitions but I suspect it was when I no longer look at a hill/run and had second thoughts about if I should look for an easier way down. (green to blue, blue to black,...)
post #4 of 42
I agree with both dchan & Sitzmark. It's what you feel relaxed with. An Expert run at one resort maybe only an Intermediate at another resort. Your skill level changes with conditions and terrain. Ever noticed on a clear day how many bombers(fast skiers) there are. In contast to a limited vis. day. How many skiers pass you on a clear day compared to the cloudy day. It's not about speed but tech. The ability to keep your skill level in all situations. That comes from a strong foundation. Stay balanced,relax and most of all enjoy the ride.
post #5 of 42
Slider, I love "your" picture that is attached to your profile!
post #6 of 42
I agree with the above posters.. it comes down to confidence. When approaching new terrain I think many skiers do so with some trepidation, which in turn alters the way they perform. This is the same for a beginner who can barely get off the lift through an intermediate first learning bumps up to every level of expert skier. At some point that trepidation turns into a feeling of confidence, and the run is attacked more aggresively. I don't think there is a set transition point as much as this just occurs over time. I can apply this to when I learned how to telemark in moguls.. at some point I just started to approach them with the knowledge I could handle them without trouble.
post #7 of 42
Slider has good pictures. Wonder what he/she/it has under the bed?

I'm with Stitzmark. I ski with some guys who don't have much for style and may not be technically correct, but can ski anything really well. Doc Counselman(sp?), the famous swim coach at Indiana, once said that Mark Spitz had the worst form on top of the water of any swimmer he ever coached. What made Spitz so great was his underwater pull.

I know one of my best days last year was skiing with Harald at Berthoud Pass. We went over to some real steep stuff and I was right behind him. His style was light years ahead of mine but he didn't have to wait for me at the lift. So, on that day, I anointed myself to be an expert skier.

So I think once a skier can go anywhere on the mountain with confidence, ski the run not survive it, they're an expert. From there it's just style points and how great technically a skier wants to become.
post #8 of 42
Well SCSA or should I call you Paul. I have a 30-30 rifle and a 38 special hand gun under my bed. I keep the rest of my toys in the back room.10th Mt. Div.
post #9 of 42
I agree with most of the postings but there is one more qualifier. The confidence issue changes when you are following some or skiing with someone. Ask yourself if you were alone or leading someone else that would not be able to assist in a crisis, would you still have second thought. I found that I would not down some runs by myself but when I was with an instructor or a better skier than myself I would ski them just fine. So my "transition" I think would be when I start seeking out these hills/runs by myself or to lead/drag my friends down them.
post #10 of 42
I'll add that I have never seen anyone - in film, in pictures, or on the mountain, that matches Harald technically.

I asked Harald who he felt was the "best". Harald has skied with 'em all - either they've come to him, or he seeks them out.

"Easy", he said. "Ingemar Stenmark. He's the best - so smooth and fluent. Ingemar is the very best by far".
post #11 of 42
Jeez Slider, I'm just kidding around. What? You want to shoot me now? Man, I've made some people mad, this one takes the cake.

You know, there is a little party here. If you can't party, then don't hang out.

You were in the 10th Mountain Division? If so, lemme shake your hand.
post #12 of 42
I agree with you on Ingemar being the best. However, Herman M. I think is the best young skier. Or at least he was!
post #13 of 42
Nothing personal SCSA. You asked what I had under my bed. Yes,I was in the 10Mt.Div. in Alaska.
post #14 of 42
I think for me the jump from intermediate to advanced came when I could control the size and shape of my turns (and my speed), separate my upper and lower body as appropriate, and started skiing more with my feet.
post #15 of 42

We're cool.

Wow, 10th Mountain Division. Are you going to Fernie? I'd love to meet you.
post #16 of 42
Now I'm sure of it. Lucky is in the Movement.
post #17 of 42
You better beleive it. Thought I'd see if Sitzmark needed a ride. It's on the way. To show you there are no hard feelings..I'll post my real stats. on the profile page.
post #18 of 42
Too early for me to know if I can make it to
Fernie, but I'm sure going to try. Regardless, I'm good for a beer on the way
thru, Slider.
post #19 of 42
With me the breakthrough was letting go of the desire to be totally in control of my speed. I remember the first run I had in the bumps when I linked them up all the way down. I let myself go and allowed the skis and bumps to control my speed for me.

After that run my confidence level changed enourmously, but it was not confidence that allowed me to do it. I got the confidence from the breakthrough itself.

To word it more concisely, I think the breakthrough you are asking about is a change from

'Utilizing muscle to keep control'
'Beginning to utilize equipment design and tactics to gain control'
post #20 of 42
Way Cool Stizmark,I collect on the beer and see if you can do a day of skiing in Idaho on the way to Fernie.
post #21 of 42
Slider, It's a deal!
post #22 of 42
I don't know if I'm an expert skier, but I remember a couple things about becoming good and making that transition from surviving to skiing that everyone is talking about in this thread.

1) I started focusing on the line and not on the obstacles eg not looking at the trees but at the spaces between them

2) I started looking alot farther down the hill.

Anyway, who really knows if they are an expert skier or not? I spend alot of time at Whistler and I feel that I ski better than 95% of the people on the mountain. Problem is that the 5% of the people are on the same terrain I'm on and so all I ever see are people who are as good or better than I am.

An expert skier to me is someone who skis well on all types of terrain and in all snow conditions.
post #23 of 42
I went from intermediate to advanced as soon as I got off of my X-Scream Series.
post #24 of 42
For me, my transition from inter to advanced (until I conquer Delirium Dive at Sunshine I won't consider myself an expert) occured when I was skiing with a way better skier (my uncle's brother in law), and then realized that I could do the more challenging terrain. Also linking my turns and keeping my body facing downhill helped my technique - and now it's just a natural feeling - everything just falls into place and I don't have to think about anything exept my line.
post #25 of 42
Oh Miles, you're killing me!

When I first came back, I bought Ski Magazine and proceeded to buy the most expensive boots (Tecnica Icon Carbon) and the most expensive skis (Solomon X-Scream Series) on the market. Add to this my Spyder Jacket. Boy was I a dork. : BTW, look around on the mountain. You'll be surprised how many skiers have this exact combo.

Then I made an appointment with Harald.

The very first thing he did was to insult me, "You bought what Ski Magazine said was good, didn't you"? "And where did you get that jacket"? [img]redface.gif[/img]

Then he promptly told me to trash my boots and skis. Luckily, I was able to return them.

Now, most students would have told HH to get lost. I mean, can you imagine? I just spent like thousands on equipment and clothing and here was this guy telling me I blew it. Not only blew it, but blew it big time!

But not me. He's my coach and I was going to listen to what he said. Turns out, that was the first best advice he gave me.

So I guess my first step to expert skiing was to dump the X-Screams and my Tecnica boots!
post #26 of 42
Worldfdishnski, yes, looking farther down the hill. Lucky, yes, getting the feet more involved. ryan, an aggressive mindset puts your body in a better position over the skis. Attack! Dance!
post #27 of 42
I was a blabbering idiot, a stem-turning spaz, until I learned that milesb was the greatest skier around, and got some spy videos of him. Once I copied his style, I became an EXPERT. Now I can ski any black diamond run in Virginia.


Cornelius Skwiesens [img]tongue.gif[/img]
post #28 of 42
Gonzo, Haven't you figured it out yet? You can't be an expert skier if you are still on X-Screams. Didn't you see SCSA's post above?
Mine have be moved to the darkest corner of my basement. I don't want anyone to know I have them. If I use them this year I may have to paint the topsheets.
dchan this goes for you too.
post #29 of 42
I don't know much about the X-Screams but I have a pair of 205 3s Salmons and they are one of the best hard pack slalom skis ever made.
post #30 of 42
Thread Starter 

what year those made? (just curious about tyrivial sh*t like that.) thanks.
how long ya been skiing?
(more trivial curiosity.)
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