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Are Skiers Team Players?

post #1 of 68
Thread Starter 
I am curious. Are skiers by nature not the types of athletes to participate in team sports? Racing the exception. Looking at the Off Season forum its, inline skating, archery, swimming, running, kayaking biking, with the exception of Skiminker’s orienteering all are solo sports.

I myself have never been attracted to team sports, i.e., baseball,soccer. I am pretty competitive but do not care for the pressure of letting the Team down due to my performance.

I would like to hear your thoughts.
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post #2 of 68
All through HS I played team sports, in addition to skiing. But I was a racer, so maybe that's your exception. My other big sport was tennis (although I don't have a real love for it). I really like hockey as well, so for me it's more the sport itself and less about whether or not it's team or individual.
post #3 of 68
I see all of the above sports as solo sports including skiing. And yet all of these sports can be made into team sports by using a "league format" or combined scores format. It brings some "team spirit" to the sport which is good but in the true sense of a "team sport" I think of Basketball, football, baseball, soccer, volleyball... Sports that require specialization of a specific position and a team lacking in one area will not rise to the top. where as teams that are not lacking in any one area but excels in one or more areas will rise to the top.
post #4 of 68
I have basically two seasons-ski season and baseball season. I like to mountain bike, hike, rollerblade, etc., but my main thing in the ski-offseason is baseball. I start playing in April and go right through til November. I don't post much about it because nobody else seems into it (I'm talking about playing, not whether the Yankees will beat the Sox)

I do think baseball is one of the most individual of all the team sports. Although it takes teamwork and chemistry, etc to make a great team, its still the batter against the pitcher one on one.
post #5 of 68
interesting topic, Kima. Except for the few years I ran marathons, I'm a solo player. I also get anxious when three day ski programs do racing. I hate competing,

Be Braver in your body, or your luck will leave you. DH Lawrence
post #6 of 68
Even though I like to spend a lot of time alone, I enjoy team sports and competition. I have made some good friends through team sports.
post #7 of 68
Kima - While all of the sports you mentioned are solo sports when competing, most of them are great social sports. I can think of nothing better than getting a group of friends together for a long mountain bike ride (well, maybe getting that same group together for a day of the slopes).
post #8 of 68
I'm not.

I wrestled all through high school and have skied, raced mountain bikes, and raced triathlons in my adult life.

Even when groups of friends tried to organize a team for a big tri, I bowed out.

One reason for me may be that in my job, I have to rely on others for almost everything I accomplish (I manage the production side of a large consumer products company) so when I am out to have fun, I like to rely on myself instead.

Just a thought.
post #9 of 68
Thread Starter 
Yes Gill, I agree getting together with friends for an outing is what makes life grand.

I love when my friends push me beyond my comfort level when skiing, running and such.
It's different I think though for team sports. If your part of a team in competition the whole relies on each persons performance and/or ability.

KevinH, interesting, Here I am afraid of letting people down rather than being frustrated by counting on them. Or perhaps a bit of both, like I said, I am competitive.
post #10 of 68
Interesting that Lisamarie references marathon running as if it were NOT a solo sport. The years I ran marathons I may have trained with a group but NOTHING is more individual than the time you get to spend with that demon on your back from mile 20 to the finish.

I've often thought of this subject and came to the conclusion long ago that I'm an individual compatitor. My last real participation in team sports (football, basketball and baseball) all came to an end as I got into skiing then running and cycling to train for skiing. I've tried to catagorize what attracts me to a sport and believe it comes down to sports where an individual competes against himself (and thus is compared with others via time, style points, some external measure) rather than head to head as indiviuals or teams to "win" a point.

Guess I'm not really a team player. But I'll cheer for every other individual as they improve their ski technique, set new PRs for 10k and marathon, complete the Grand Circle 200 mile loop on a raod bike.

Most of my coworkers don't view me as a athlete either because I don't spend my weekends sitting on my butt watching the sport de jour. Don't have a clue who is even in the NBA playoffs. Who won the NCAA? I'd rather sit my butt on a bike and sweat for three hours.
post #11 of 68
Well, I won't take part in a sport or activity where there has to be a loser, or a winner for that matter. Or where there is a need to keep score.

I have to correct myself, I do play chess, but that is about the only activity where I have an opponent, but it is a recreational activity, not a tournament.

This whole idea of "I'm better than you are" goes against my nature...

So I've been sailing and skiing my whole life, along with many other solo activities, and I'm good at them (Why pursue an activity at which I'm not good? ) but never have I felt I needed to beat somebody. In chess you win, you teach, you lose, you learn.

post #12 of 68
I like your thinking.
I wish I could separate that part of me to do that. I don't really compete as winner/loser either but I use scoring for myself to measure if I'm getting better. and survival for some sports also. (scuba)
Just imagine if we all were like Ott. enjoyment, self improvement and no war?

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post #13 of 68
I'm with Ott on this one. I've never been all that competetive. I hate losing, but I hate organized training even worse. I found out, a long time ago, that I could out sail just about anyone on a sailboat. But when I would hang around comptetitive sailors, I got *really* turned off (they are the worst egos I've ever seen). Competetive skiers were a whole lot more fun, but I detested the idea of "wasting" my time training in gates, when there were so many other things to do on the hill. I think another thing that comes into play, is that I like solo sports, not for the comptetition, but for the freedom. I enjoy going out on my own, or in a small group, and just being out there. I've had some of my best days just cruising around mountans by myself, or taking my father's boat out by myself when I was younger, during the week, when there were hardly any other boats on the water. It's comfortable to me.

"Yeah. I knew JohnH. He was a real loner, ya know? Never did talk to him much..."
post #14 of 68
dchan, chess, where you observe the other person's moves closely and try to anticipate their thinking and strategy has fascinated me since I learned to play it as a five-year-old. It is different from sports.

Unlike card games, the positions are open for both to see and more often than not one loses because the other person took advantage of a mistake one makes. The best games are the ones where one or the other forces the opponent into a losing stance.

Skiing competitively, open or as a team, affects different people in various ways. We had a super racer who was on the podium most of the time, who was so nerveous before a race that he skied behind a tree and gave up his breakfast, but then, in the gates was as calm as can be. Another good racer I've known was totally confident that he would win, no daubt, but he would throw a fit if he wasn't first. He would say there is only one winner, everybody else is a loser.

Who need it.... ...Ott
post #15 of 68
I've tried my hand at many different sports growing up. Played most of the big team sports: football, soccer, hockey, basketball, baseball and the quasi-team sports, like tennis. Tennis was my main sport until I screwed up my shoulder playing in a church sponsered softball game. I enjoy playing a team sport, and consider myself to be good 'team' player, but have found it harder and harder to find the time and energy to devote to 'team' activities and now gravitate towards individual sports because I can do them on my schedule and not have to worry about finding a partner or gathering a team.

I'm getting quite devoted to golf and, for two very different activities, I think golf and skiing share many of the same properties. They are both lifetime sports, that is they can be done throughout your entire life, and can be enjoyed by a wide variety of people at a wide variety of skill levels. If you ski, as I do, mostly within ski area's boundries, both golf and skiing involve adapting yourself to a crafted natural environment and making that environment work for you. They are both solitary, in that's it's just you, your skis/clubs, and the hill/course, while allowing for shared experience and social comraderie with a fellow golfer/skier. And in competition, how you do is up to you and isn't dictated by what the other guy did (yes, I'll admit that pyschological gamesmanship can play a role in competition in either sport, but it isn't a physical factor).
post #16 of 68
In away skiing can be both. If you are running the gates it is purely individualistic, unless of course it is part of a relay or combined competition, so then you may be motivated to do a personel best for the sake of others that are competing. After all you don't want to let the team down.

There are adult racing leagues, where combined times determine a teams result, similiar to high school racing. So if your time effects the teams over performance then it is a team sport, just as placing in tennis in a way is a team sport.

Running a NASTAR, that can be very individualistic. The "24 Hours of Aspen," is a team sport as is "The Powder 8's " competition.

Playing such sports as soccer and basketball and to a more limited exent volleyball are good crossove sports. If you want to put the pads on, then inlineskate hockey would be an excellent team sport that is applicable to skiing.
post #17 of 68
Ryan, you are such a bitter old man

Deep yogic breaths...
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post #19 of 68

<marquee>RYAN, LUNCH IS SERVED!<marquee>

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post #20 of 68
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>i have a very hard time with people who can't be quiet, JUST FOR THREE MINUTES, so i opt most of the time for solitude.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm with ryan. As long as he doesn't want to talk about it...
post #21 of 68
Goo! Goo! Cute little animals!

Powderjunkie, good point. I was actually the personification of the "Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner.

Ryan; you are NOT a cranky old man. If I'm not in class, there is NOTHING more annoying than someone who goes yakety yak the whole way down the trail!!!

Be Braver in your body, or your luck will leave you. DH Lawrence
post #22 of 68
ok, enuf fun, my real answer is...
I am of the school of thought that a team sport is one that the action of each player has a direct effect and impact on the whole team. Therefore, although ski racing is a team sport in that is one person has a bad run, it can effect the outcome at the end, but it does not necessarily effect the way each individual skis their run (well maybe mentally), but I believe it is also very much an individual "team" sport.

Are rec. skiers team players? I suppose we could be. Personally I can go either way. I enjoy a team sport in that it's fun to play with a group, but hate the pressure to perform. That's the main reason I love skiing, if I have a good day, it's all me. I get to be proud of it. If I have a bad day, it only effects me (and well maybe ski patrol, but that's another story )

I like skiing with a group, mainly because I don't like riding up alone and it's fun to talk about your run on the way back up (except with Ryan and PowderJunkie-shhhhh don't talk to them!)

Good topic Kima!
post #23 of 68
I might've embellished. i'm not all THAT anti-social. i HAVE skied with milesb and we even talked on the trail and lift. i DO speak and don't mind being spoken to. (once in awhile.)
i'm protesting too much.
post #24 of 68
Thread Starter 
Don't worry about it Ryan. Just listening to
some people can be quite a workout.

Not sure it counts as a sport though.
post #25 of 68
Personally I don't like team sports. I suppose that I don't like to depend on others for support, motivation or results. However, I always loved training and competing (as a bodybuilder) and even today I love my early morning workouts.

Skiing, on the other hand, is less a sport and more a passion for me. Fun is the main criteria I use to measure my skiing experience. Don't get me wrong, skill is important (more skill=more fun in my book), but skill will always take a back-seat to fun.
post #26 of 68
I don't know Kima,
I have one "friend" that sure knows how to talk. I think it has to do with profession though. Dental Hygenist. when they say something you can't respond so they just keep talking and talking and talking. Our way to quiet them down on the slope since not quite an advanced skier yet. Ski fast. they work hard at trying to catch up and the ride up the chair is mostly out of breath breathing. That's almost sport....
post #27 of 68
I carry some extra equipment to races to share just in case one of the kids breaks something. Extra skis with easily adjustable demo bindings and poles...... stuff like that.

I dread the day that one of the kids will use some of the extra gear and......... beat my son........... He's generally good sport but...........
post #28 of 68
I am a team player, Baseball, hockey, volleyball, soccer. I also participate in individual sports, various raquet sports, archery, fishing, paddling(soon), skiing etc.,
Having competed at National and International level in both a team and individual setting, I can easily say the most fun and personal satisfaction was achieved in a team setting.
The worst thing a parent can do for their child is keep them out of team sports, another thing that is equally bad is to not encourage a child to explore the world on their own, hiking, fishing etc., but thats just my $.02 .
post #29 of 68
I've never understood the need to turn activities, whether they be recreations or work, into competitions. I can enjoy watching other folks compete athletically as individuals against a clock or as a team against another team because I appreciate individual performance abilities, but I have no desire to participate myself. Maybe I've suppressed such emotion because of my astounding lack of physical talents, but I cannot recall ever having the competitive winning desire. I thoroughally enjoy practicing my way into physical accomplishment, but it's an internal reward for me that has no dependency on outdoing someone else or winning someone else's approval.
post #30 of 68

I think some ski enthusiasts are definitely individualistic and therefore not good team players, in the sense that they are self-contained. Some might call that self-actualized. Maybe it simply means "spends more time alone" or are comfortable doing this. This does not necessarily mean do not participate in team sports or are bad at doing team sports but it can, of course.

I spend a lot of time by myself, though I played team sports when I was under 19. Archival research is not a social activity; teaching is moreso but as the group leader it can be "lonely at the top" so to speak. unless the eye candy visits during office hours.


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