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post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 
I am 53 years old, very athletic, 5'4" 145 lbs and need to pick up the best carving skis for the East ice frontside runs. Hanging with an agreesive group who like to hit this type of surface regularly - hard and fast. Looking for any help in deciding on the following:

Volkl Racetiger 10ft 161
Volkl Racetiger 160
Volkl RC 158
Volkl SL 160
Blizzard GForce LE 160
Blizzard Supersonic 160
Blizzard SLR Mag 160
Blizzard SL Mag 155 or 165

I know I have listed a few race skis, but thought these may be in the mix due to their great hold on fast steep ice days. Apprecaite any feedback and thoughts.
post #2 of 25
Ya missed the best go-fast skis currently made: HEAD.
post #3 of 25
Volkl has more edge grip while Blizzard tends to be smoother.

Here are a few reviews comparing Volkl's to Blizzard

Blizzard Magnum 8.1, Volkl Grizzley, AC50

Blizzard race skis back to back with Volkl Race skis

My own review on the Mag SL to the P60

Hope this helps
post #4 of 25
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Originally Posted by CarlG View Post
I am 53 years old, very athletic, 5'4" 145 lbs and need to pick up the best carving skis for the East ice frontside runs. Hanging with an agreesive group who like to hit this type of surface regularly - hard and fast. Looking for any help in deciding on the following:

Volkl Racetiger 10ft 161
Volkl Racetiger 160
Volkl RC 158
Volkl SL 160
Blizzard GForce LE 160
Blizzard Supersonic 160
Blizzard SLR Mag 160
Blizzard SL Mag 155 or 165

I know I have listed a few race skis, but thought these may be in the mix due to their great hold on fast steep ice days. Apprecaite any feedback and thoughts.
All of those skis will fit the bill.... If anything, I'd probably avoid the race skis. They can get kind of one dimensional.

In Volkl, I'd say your best bet is the Tigershark (I think that's what you meant with the first one on your list, not racetiger)

For Blizzard, I'd go Supersonic.

Blizzard and Volkl both have a very similar feel.

OR, if you want to be like Richie-Rich, get some Head skis.
post #5 of 25
Thread Starter 

What Head Ski For Grip On Ice At Fast Speed & Steeps

Guys, thanks for the input. Never considered Head skis as i am not familiar with them and never skied them. What Head ski has a better grip on ice at fast speeds or steeps compared to the Volkl Tigershark or Blizzard Supersonic?
post #6 of 25
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Originally Posted by CarlG View Post
Guys, thanks for the input. Never considered Head skis as i am not familiar with them and never skied them. What Head ski has a better grip on ice at fast speeds or steeps compared to the Volkl Tigershark or Blizzard Supersonic?
Hmmm... I'm not that familiar with the Head line, but here is a video of Richie-Rich racing on some Heads. Not sure what model it is. Hope it is helpful....



VIDEO






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post #7 of 25
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Originally Posted by U.P. Racer View Post
Hmmm... I'm not that familiar with the Head line, but here is a video of Richie-Rich racing on some Heads. Not sure what model it is. Hope it is helpful....



VIDEO






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Haha Didn't you and Richie have quite an arguement about who was the best skier about ½ a year ago? If that video show's richie on head skis, I wouldn't go Head
post #8 of 25
If you want to buy a used pair of Volkl Race Tiger RC's I have a pair for sale in Gear Swap.

I'm selling them and getting Blizzard Magnum 8.1's, to compliment my Blizzard SL's
post #9 of 25
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Originally Posted by GrooK View Post
Haha Didn't you and Richie have quite an arguement about who was the best skier about ½ a year ago? If that video show's richie on head skis, I wouldn't go Head
No, but I think we argued a little in the full face helmet thread...

I'm sure Head makes great skis. Like I said, I'm just not that familiar with them.
post #10 of 25
This is a category where it's pretty easy to find a good ski.

Volkl Tigershark
Blizzard Supersonic
Head SS Magnum
Dynastar Contact 4X4
Nordica Speedmachine Mach 3
Rossi Classic 70

have fun!
post #11 of 25
Head Supershape Speed! I ski it in a 177cm 16.6M radius.(6'0' 185 lbs.)This ski is amazing. I would ski on it once and then retune it with a 3 degree side edge. Unreal edge grip, extremely smooth (Intelligence Technology and Liquidmetal) and fast fast fast!
post #12 of 25
Fischer World CUP RC's!!!!!
post #13 of 25
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Originally Posted by U.P. Racer View Post
Hmmm... I'm not that familiar with the Head line, but here is a video of Richie-Rich racing on some Heads. Not sure what model it is. Hope it is helpful....



VIDEO






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Bitchslap to the FACE. Hopefully a SNELL Certified full face helmet can absorb that type of impact... (Is being bitchslapped a test in there random ass test categories?)

anyway...
Are these going to be your only pair of skis? If so, you might want to check out a TS 12ft in 161 or 168 too, they perform really well on hardpack in the East (I have them in 175s and love em). If there was snow on the ground I would be able to comment on some Blizzards, but we are yet to get any here. As for the Racetigers, I live on mine when I'm not on my Tigersharks, but they may be a bit too much for someone who isnt going to be racing on them (not that you wont be able to ski them, they might just tire you more). I have owned a pair of RCs too, and have a pair to use again this season and can say that they are great skis, and have the stiffness to give you stability for speed, and they have the radius for making those tight turns.
post #14 of 25
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Originally Posted by HB2ski View Post
Fischer World CUP RC's!!!!!
Or Progressors!
post #15 of 25
Thread Starter 

Not Just One Pair

I already have the Blizzard 8.1's for all mountain 163's (top of head). Just need a carving ski for East coast ice - most likely a little shorter (nose length). Again, skiing with an agreesive group who like ice and speed. I need the stability and grip to stay with the pack. Appeciate your recommendation



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Originally Posted by Rise To The Top View Post
Bitchslap to the FACE. Hopefully a SNELL Certified full face helmet can absorb that type of impact... (Is being bitchslapped a test in there random ass test categories?)

anyway...
Are these going to be your only pair of skis? If so, you might want to check out a TS 12ft in 161 or 168 too, they perform really well on hardpack in the East (I have them in 175s and love em). If there was snow on the ground I would be able to comment on some Blizzards, but we are yet to get any here. As for the Racetigers, I live on mine when I'm not on my Tigersharks, but they may be a bit too much for someone who isnt going to be racing on them (not that you wont be able to ski them, they might just tire you more). I have owned a pair of RCs too, and have a pair to use again this season and can say that they are great skis, and have the stiffness to give you stability for speed, and they have the radius for making those tight turns.
post #16 of 25
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Originally Posted by GrooK View Post
Haha Didn't you and Richie have quite an arguement about who was the best skier about ½ a year ago? If that video show's richie on head skis, I wouldn't go Head
Yuk Yuk Yuk....you can be like me......OR you can be like the best skier in the world....who coincindentally is doing better on HEAD skis than he has in a long time. You cant go wrong with HEAD.

post #17 of 25
Fischer WC SC or RC
Atomic sx 11 or 12
Head SS speed
Depending on radius and personal feel preferences.
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post #19 of 25
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post
Volkl has more edge grip while Blizzard tends to be smoother.
Have to disagree here. IMO, just the opposite: Both great skis on ice, but Volkls feel beefier and damper, while actual grip - and handling/reaction precision during change of edge - is better in the Blizzards I've skied. I think it's all about the plates. The lips of the IQ are like tips of an iceberg that extend down into the core of the ski, while the Volkl setup sends the force down from a track at the surface.

My recs from your list: The G-Force Supersonics for versatility, a touch more forgiveness, the SLR's for ripping on ice/hardpack and little else.

Others to consider: Stockli Laser SC's with a Vist plate for something that's quicker and smoother than any other ski suggested here, but also a bit narrowly focused: Turn, turn, turn.
And yeah, Head iSpeeds if you like something damper and more planted feeling that midweights like Blizzards and Volkls. IMO not quite the bite of V's or B's, but nothing quite like that Head feel blasting through stiff crud.
post #20 of 25
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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
Yuk Yuk Yuk....you can be like me......OR you can be like the best skier in the world....who coincindentally is doing better on HEAD skis than he has in a long time. You cant go wrong with HEAD.

Wait, we are talking about carvers, NOT speed skis. You should look into brand ranking in the past few years and see how poorly Head has done in the technical disciplines.
post #21 of 25
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Originally Posted by Rise To The Top View Post
Wait, we are talking about carvers, NOT speed skis. You should look into brand ranking in the past few years and see how poorly Head has done in the technical disciplines.
Wait a minute.... I'm failing to see the relationship between the skis that the best world cup racers win on and the best skis for Joe public recreational skier...

I mean... if Jeff Gordon is the best Nascar driver (I don't know if he is, but I've heard of him), and Gordon drives a Chevy (again.... I don't know what he drives) Does that somehow translate into:

Chevy makes the best cars?

Marketing departments were MADE for you guys...

Amazing.
post #22 of 25
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Originally Posted by U.P. Racer View Post
Wait a minute.... I'm failing to see the relationship between the skis that the best world cup racers win on and the best skis for Joe public recreational skier...


Marketing departments were MADE for you guys...

Amazing.
You should know. Twas you who got me to jump on Blizzard last year. Way to market me. But then I was just an easy Market Target.
post #23 of 25
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post
You should know. Twas you who got me to jump on Blizzard last year. Way to market me. But then I was just an easy Market Target.
I'll tell ya... It hasn't been too tough to get people to like Blizzard. All they have to do is take them for a run or two.
post #24 of 25
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
Others to consider: Stockli Laser SC's with a Vist plate for something that's quicker and smoother than any other ski suggested here, but also a bit narrowly focused: Turn, turn, turn.
I would second that. Very impressed with this set up - Laser SC, Vist 614's & Vist plate. Super fast, great grip on ice, very quick edge to edge and turn initiation is very easy. My first "race" ski, which is great in the gates (club racing only), but now loving off-piste, although it takes a bit of work there.
post #25 of 25

Try to demo

I am re-posting my reviews below of back-to-back demos last April of the various 09 slalom skis; the full thread is here: http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=65327

I also love the Atomic SL 9 (which I've been on for the past few years). I just bought the Blizzard SLRs and am itching to get out there.

Dude, I have to say that it is just so subjective. No one can really tell you which ones you are going to like the best. It depends on how you ski and what feels the best to you.

So I hope my review helps you, but if you can find an on-mountain demo outfit (like Stowe Toys at the base of the Mansfield chair - I have no connection to them btw), that's your best bet.

But bottom line, if you like SL skis, pretty much any of the new skis are gonna put a big ole on your face!

Good luck,

Joe.
****

Nordica Dobermann SL (165 13m)
Blizzard SLR Magnesium IQ (167 13.5m)
Volkl Racetiger SL (165 13m)
Blizzard GForce Sonic IQ (165 13m)
Nordica Speedmachine Mach (170 15m)

For reference, I am on a 160 cm Atomic SL9 that I love - makes great high speed short and med radius turns. Good in trees and light pow too. I am 160 lb male.

My sense is that the new SL race skis all ski similarly - very smooth, very fast, and hold like there's no tomorrow (having brand new skis with factory tune doesn't hurt, though :-) ). Totally confidence inspiring. Took about 5 seconds each to find the sweet spot on any of them. Can bang out tight radius turns as well as let em run for nice GS turns at speed. There are differences among the various SL skis, but they are much more subtle than I would have guessed.

For me, best of show was the Blizzard SLR 167, which was surprising, since I've never (ever) skied on Blizzards - I always liked Rossi and Dynastar, and now Atomics.

The Blizzard SLR was very SMOOOOTH throughout the entire turn. Nice round turns, holds on anything, very predictable, yet quick and lively.

The Volkls want to go mach speed (good). They are the most dynamic - exiting the turns it's easy to get airborne, which is alot of fun :-) , but just a bit different from the other skis. If I spent more time on these, I'd ease off on the turn completion and I'm sure I'd have no problem keeping them planted when I wanted to. But I'm guessing if you don't know how to ski slalom skis you're likely to end up in the trees on these. These are also VERY FAST :-)

The Nordicas were easiest to initiate, also a great ski, but did not seem as fast or smooth as the other two (this is really nitpicking because all three skis were awesome).

As I said in the intro, the differences between the 3 slaloms were subtle. I would happily take any of them, but for me, the best ride was the Blizzards.

I did not like the Nordica Mach 1, maybe because I spent the entire day on slaloms, and this was a 15m ski. Perhaps if I took them on a wide open trail and took a bit more time getting used to them I might have liked them.

And the Blizzard G-Force Sonic IQ were not really like the SLRs, surprisingly. I liked them least of the SLs. They were just not noteworthy compared with the other 3 SL Race skis. Not to say they're not good, but just tough for them to stand out in light of the other skis in the group.
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