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Volkl Experts Please! AC40: Carbon and Titanium?

post #1 of 21
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I have an opportunity to purchase a pair of leftover 177cm AC40's, which I am strongly considering. I am an Eastern skier, level 8, 6 feet tall, 185 lbs.

Volkl's website shows this ski having layers of both titanium and carbon.

I am looking for a wider waisted ski with good edge grip which would allow carving on Eastern hardpack and ice. I am also anticipating, the nearly 20mm increase in waist size of this ski, in comparison to my current metal laminate race carvers, would allow more flotation on our rare "deep" days.

Is the AC40 the AC4 (two sheets of titanium) with an added layer of carbon? Or is it carbon only?

I really appreciate the edge grip of a metal laminate ski. If this ski is carbon only I may consider the Nordica Jet Fuel.

Thanks for your help.
post #2 of 21
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Originally Posted by Dauntless View Post
I have an opportunity to purchase a pair of leftover 177cm AC40's, which I am strongly considering. I am an Eastern skier, level 8, 6 feet tall, 185 lbs.

Volkl's website shows this ski having layers of both titanium and carbon.

I am looking for a wider waisted ski with good edge grip which would allow carving on Eastern hardpack and ice. I am also anticipating, the nearly 20mm increase in waist size of this ski, in comparison to my current metal laminate race carvers, would allow more flotation on our rare "deep" days.

Is the AC40 the AC4 (two sheets of titanium) with an added layer of carbon? Or is it carbon only?

I really appreciate the edge grip of a metal laminate ski. If this ski is carbon only I may consider the Nordica Jet Fuel.

Thanks for your help.
Cant answer your question exactly but from what I have been
told laminated skis last longer than cap skis which is what the
AC4/40 is. I am 181 cm tall and own both the 05 AC4 in 177cm
and the 06 AC4 in 184cm. I really enjoy these skis and they
have made my old Volkl GS Race Skis obsolite for the type of
skiing I do. The wider waist is noticeable on hard snow and from
my experience these skis like to be skied with a tall race like
boot and a lot of upper body weight shift is required to get them
edge to edge on hard snow. I found to my surprise that these skis are the best I have ever skied on low visability days Perhaps demo first.
post #3 of 21

2 Sheets of Titanium and Carbon

Dauntless,

I own the AC4 (red ones 06/07) and it has two sheets of titanium. Last year when the AC40 came out the only two differences were the skis were now white and a layer of carbon was added to the two sheets of titanium. The word on the street was that the layer of carbon was going to add a little more pop/snap, but I sure as hell could not tell any difference. For a mid fat they absolutely will rail a nice GS turn and hold a great edge on bullet proof snow. The two things I love about this ski is it has absolutely no speed limit and will crush crud. This ski will not get deflected in any type of snow condition.

Enjoy,
Buckeye
post #4 of 21
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Cassina View Post
Cant answer your question exactly but from what I have been
told laminated skis last longer than cap skis which is what the
AC4/40 is. I am 181 cm tall and own both the 05 AC4 in 177cm
and the 06 AC4 in 184cm. I really enjoy these skis and they
have made my old Volkl GS Race Skis obsolite for the type of
skiing I do. The wider waist is noticeable on hard snow and from
my experience these skis like to be skied with a tall race like
boot and a lot of upper body weight shift is required to get them
edge to edge on hard snow. I found to my surprise that these skis are the best I have ever skied on low visability days Perhaps demo first.
Unfortunately there is no chance to demo. This is the last pair and I think they will go quickly as the pre-season sales are upcoming. These were on my short list last year but were sold out everywhere so a demo was imposssible.

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Originally Posted by Buckeye View Post
Dauntless,

I own the AC4 (red ones 06/07) and it has two sheets of titanium. Last year when the AC40 came out the only two differences were the skis were now white and a layer of carbon was added to the two sheets of titanium. The word on the street was that the layer of carbon was going to add a little more pop/snap, but I sure as hell could not tell any difference. For a mid fat they absolutely will rail a nice GS turn and hold a great edge on bullet proof snow. The two things I love about this ski is it has absolutely no speed limit and will crush crud. This ski will not get deflected in any type of snow condition.

Enjoy,
Buckeye
Buckeye:
Your impression of the AC40 constuction is what I also believed to be true. It also shows titanium as part of the AC40 construction on the Volkl website.

Where my confusion comes in is related to the shop employee in the ski section. He insisted that the AC40 was a"carbon only"(no titanium) ski. He also told me that the AC30 was in his words a "speed ski" because it was the only one with titanium.

I guess I need to take his description of the skis with a grain of salt as it didn't seem correct to me.

Your description of the AC40 is exactly the type of ski I am looking for: a wider waist, good in crud, high speed limit, excells at GS turns and is able to hold an edge well in Eastern conditions.

I just wanted to make sure the AC40 was not a detuned version of the earlier AC4. If it was detuned, as the shop employee seemed to indicate, I would be inclined to look elsewhere.

Given your description I may go ahead with the purchase.
post #5 of 21
Hmmmmm.... strange. I wonder where Richie-Rich is? Oh well.... I'll insert his comment for him.

Don't get the AC40's get a pair of Head skis instead!! All the cool guys from New York City ski on Head!
post #6 of 21
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Originally Posted by U.P. Racer View Post
Hmmmmm.... strange. I wonder where Richie-Rich is? Oh well.... I'll insert his comment for him.

Don't get the AC40's get a pair of Head skis instead!! All the cool guys from New York City ski on Head!
Both of' em??

SJ
post #7 of 21
Thread Starter 
Jim: You should know the answer to this. Is it both carbon and titanium?
post #8 of 21
Thread Starter 
Also, Who is Ritchie-Rich?
post #9 of 21
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Jim: You should know the answer to this. Is it both carbon and titanium?
Honestly I don't know for sure. But I DO have a suspicion.

When a company claims a change that is undetectable and basically indechipherable, then it is often in the mind(s) of a rep, a marketing guy or a kool aid drinker. This is much like the mythical 15% stiffer rumors on the Volkl Gotama each of the last two years. If that were the case, the Goat would be dramatically stiffer than it was since the change to the white ski occurred. It clearly is not.

Back OT, when somebody says...."we put a liiiiitttttle bit of carbon in the ski to give it a liiiiittttle more 'POP'" ...."but most skiers will never notice it"

I'm thinking "pass the salt"

SJ
post #10 of 21
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Originally Posted by Dauntless View Post
Jim: You should know the answer to this. Is it both carbon and titanium?
It is both Carbon and Titanium. You can look around in the Quiver pic thread, I am a Volkl junkie. Almost grabbed AC40s for myself, but got the Tigershark 12fts instead, as they were more appropriate for our usual conditions and yet can handle powder.
post #11 of 21
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Originally Posted by Dauntless View Post
Also, Who is Ritchie-Rich?
Some Head junkie that preaches about skis he can barely ski. Seen here in this video.
post #12 of 21
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Originally Posted by Rise To The Top View Post
You can look around in the Quiver pic thread, I am a Volkl junkie.
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Originally Posted by Rise To The Top View Post
Some Head junkie that preaches about skis he can barely ski. Seen here in this video.

AHHH HAA HAA HAA HAA !!!! F'ng precious.

Pot, meet Kettle.
post #13 of 21
Wow!!

Backseat and late by the third gate.............needs faster skis and stiffer boots I'm a thinkin'

SJ
post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
AHHH HAA HAA HAA HAA !!!! F'ng precious.

Pot, meet Kettle.
.

I have tried other skis before... I'm actually trying Blizzard again this year, so ha.
post #15 of 21
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Originally Posted by Rise To The Top View Post
You can look around in the Quiver pic thread, I am a Volkl junkie.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rise To The Top View Post
Some Head junkie that preaches about skis he can barely ski. Seen here in this video.
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
AHHH HAA HAA HAA HAA !!!! F'ng precious.

Pot, meet Kettle.
HA! I noticed that too..... PLUS, Rise to the top posted a less than stellar race video of himself also... Richie is probably trying to dig it up right now!!

Careful there, big guy!
post #16 of 21
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Originally Posted by Dauntless View Post
Unfortunately there is no chance to demo. This is the last pair and I think they will go quickly as the pre-season sales are upcoming. These were on my short list last year but were sold out everywhere so a demo was imposssible.



Buckeye:
Your impression of the AC40 constuction is what I also believed to be true. It also shows titanium as part of the AC40 construction on the Volkl website.

Where my confusion comes in is related to the shop employee in the ski section. He insisted that the AC40 was a"carbon only"(no titanium) ski. He also told me that the AC30 was in his words a "speed ski" because it was the only one with titanium.

I guess I need to take his description of the skis with a grain of salt as it didn't seem correct to me.

Your description of the AC40 is exactly the type of ski I am looking for: a wider waist, good in crud, high speed limit, excells at GS turns and is able to hold an edge well in Eastern conditions.

I just wanted to make sure the AC40 was not a detuned version of the earlier AC4. If it was detuned, as the shop employee seemed to indicate, I would be inclined to look elsewhere.

Given your description I may go ahead with the purchase.
I bought my 177 AC4s without demo as it was at an end of season sale I saw them. Just be prepaired to lean over more in
your turns as the more you get them on edge the more stable
they will be
post #17 of 21
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Originally Posted by Rise To The Top View Post
Some Head junkie that preaches about skis he can barely ski. Seen here in this video.
Why are they not using this video to pitch Head Skis?
Richie-Rips should be an official spokesperson for them.
post #18 of 21
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Originally Posted by Dauntless View Post
Where my confusion comes in is related to the shop employee in the ski section. He insisted that the AC40 was a"carbon only"(no titanium) ski. He also told me that the AC30 was in his words a "speed ski" because it was the only one with titanium.
Shop employes seem to range from the erudite (our Epic guys) to imbecilic (the kids at the Sports Authority). As a long time Volkl enthusiast, now evolving toward Head and Blizzard, I can tell you that:

1) The AC40 is not "detuned" compared to the 4. It has one layer of carbon added to the existing 2 layers of titanium. Couldn't tell any difference. No one could.

2) OTOH, the AC50 could legitimately be called a "detuned" AC40 since it now has one less layer of metal and is apparently noticeably softer flexing. This is not necessarily a bad thing, since the 4/40 was friggin stiff and the front liked to plough deep snow instead of getting to the surface.

3) The AC30 also had two layers of titanium, unclear about carbon, was always seen as more of a high speed GS cruiser compared to the AC40's fat SL and wider envelope. But I skied both the AC4 and 40 north of 45 mph, never wavered on me. A really good ski. Lot of instructors in the NE use it.
post #19 of 21
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Originally Posted by U.P. Racer View Post
HA! I noticed that too..... PLUS, Rise to the top posted a less than stellar race video of himself also... Richie is probably trying to dig it up right now!!

Careful there, big guy!
... I just woke up and felt like crap. It sucks to know the race director of my home mountain. Somehow there were no other J1/2s on the mountain that day, so, being cool, he woke me up. Felt crappy that day too, but that doesn't impact my skiing that much. Do mind that Richie has been pushing his Heads and SNELL helmets to the max far longer than I have known about ski racing and it's existance.

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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
3) The AC30 also had two layers of titanium, unclear about carbon, was always seen as more of a high speed GS cruiser compared to the AC40's fat SL and wider envelope. But I skied both the AC4 and 40 north of 45 mph, never wavered on me. A really good ski. Lot of instructors in the NE use it.
I saw ALOT of instructors and patrollers on AC40s this year, which may be one of the reasons why all of the shops in the area were sold out by December. Everyone seemed to like em alot.
post #20 of 21
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
Shop employes seem to range from the erudite (our Epic guys) to imbecilic (the kids at the Sports Authority). As a long time Volkl enthusiast, now evolving toward Head and Blizzard, I can tell you that:

1) The AC40 is not "detuned" compared to the 4. It has one layer of carbon added to the existing 2 layers of titanium. Couldn't tell any difference. No one could.

2) OTOH, the AC50 could legitimately be called a "detuned" AC40 since it now has one less layer of metal and is apparently noticeably softer flexing. This is not necessarily a bad thing, since the 4/40 was friggin stiff and the front liked to plough deep snow instead of getting to the surface.

3) The AC30 also had two layers of titanium, unclear about carbon, was always seen as more of a high speed GS cruiser compared to the AC40's fat SL and wider envelope. But I skied both the AC4 and 40 north of 45 mph, never wavered on me. A really good ski. Lot of instructors in the NE use it.


Beyond:

Thanks for the useful information. I was hopeing the AC40 was not a detuned AC4. Being an Eastern skier, I am looking for a primarily frontside ski with some backside tendencies. I realize that Volkl markets the AC 40 as a 50/50 ski, but from what I have read it may have a bias towards the frontside which may be exactly what I am looking for.
post #21 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thanks to everyone for their input. I purchased the 177cm AC40!
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