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post #1 of 26
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Utah cut the state tax on beer in half. You can now buy real beer in the liquor store for less than $50 a case. I got a case of sierra for $24 last week. Just thought you should know.
post #2 of 26
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Originally Posted by tromano View Post
Utah cut the state tax on beer in half. You can now buy real beer in the liquor store for less than $50 a case. I got a case of sierra for $24 last week. Just thought you should know.
Best Use Of The Internet Award, 2008.
post #3 of 26
Haaaaaaaaaalelujah!!!

This is the most significant news story of the week for sure!!!!
post #4 of 26
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Originally Posted by tromano View Post
Utah cut the state tax on beer in half. You can now buy real beer in the liquor store for less than $50 a case. I got a case of sierra for $24 last week. Just thought you should know.
Let us know when they start allowing people to brew and serve real beer in the state.
post #5 of 26
This thread is bullshit. Today, I made my weekly visit to the state liquor store. Beer is the same shitty price as always, and they have not heard of any such impending tax break!

Thanks for getting our hopes up, nozzle!
post #6 of 26
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Originally Posted by Garrett View Post
Let us know when they start allowing people to brew and serve real beer in the state.
Was the brew I purchased in growlers from Park City Brew Pub "near beer"? It tasted like the real thing.
post #7 of 26
Gotta get me some Polygamy Porter! The more the merrier
post #8 of 26
I searched for news of this online, and can't find a single mention. Considering sin taxes like liquor normally only go up (especially in Utah), I would think this would have made pretty big news if it was true.

Not that I don't believe you tromano, but, well, I don't. Especially given the post by Canyons, got any sort of confirmation of this? If it's true, I'd be ecstatic for my next trip to Utah, but I'm pretty skeptical.
post #9 of 26
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Originally Posted by reducedfatoreo View Post
Gotta get me some Polygamy Porter! The more the merrier
Haha, that's funny!

If I had known it was half strength, I would have drank twice as much. It was a while ago, and I don't remember if I had the Porter or Stout. If it was near beer, I slept better and skied better because of it. I still don't know if it was low alcohol or not.
post #10 of 26
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post
Haha, that's funny!

If I had known it was half strength, I would have drank twice as much. It was a while ago, and I don't remember if I had the Porter or Stout. If it was near beer, I slept better and skied better because of it. I still don't know if it was low alcohol or not.

Yeah, I don't know if the six-pack I had was near beer or not either, but I do remember it tasting good after a hard day of skiing!
post #11 of 26
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post
Was the brew I purchased in growlers from Park City Brew Pub "near beer"? It tasted like the real thing.
They make some very good beer, but yes, it is pretty weak, and that limits the styles they brew.

The strongest brew you'll buy in a Utah pub is slightly weaker than a typical domestic pilsener. Caveat: Some stronger brews are made, but AFAIK they need to be sold by liquor stores and private clubs, i.e. not for consumption in the pub.

Utah's markup on "real beer" is usurious. Hopefully tromano can fill us in on what is going on.
post #12 of 26
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Originally Posted by Canyons View Post
This thread is bullshit. Today, I made my weekly visit to the state liquor store. Beer is the same shitty price as always, and they have not heard of any such impending tax break!

Thanks for getting our hopes up, nozzle!
You should cry more. I said it was cheaper than it was a few months ago. If you go and price out beer every week then you probably didn't notice any change from 2 weeks ago.

Last week I was at the liquour store and saw sierranevada for $1.12 for a 12oz the price includes tax. That used to cost over $2 a 12oz. bottle including tax. Some of the other cheaper beers that I saw were $.79 per 12oz (full strength). Definitely seemed cheaper than a few months ago. As cheap as a case of sierra back in PA or MD.

There were a number of stories on the news a couple months ago about banning the sale of flavored malt beverages from grocery stores and selling them at state stores instead they also said they would be changing the way taxes were calculated at state stores to lower the price on beer. I originally heard about it on TV. Don't know of any link. I only posted when I notice that prices seemed to have gone down.
post #13 of 26
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Ok here is a link that describes the change I am talking about.

http://utahbeer.blogspot.com/2007/12...tah-first.html
post #14 of 26
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Originally Posted by Garrett View Post
They make some very good beer, but yes, it is pretty weak, and that limits the styles they brew.

The strongest brew you'll buy in a Utah pub is slightly weaker than a typical domestic pilsener. Caveat: Some stronger brews are made, but AFAIK they need to be sold by liquor stores and private clubs, i.e. not for consumption in the pub.

Utah's markup on "real beer" is usurious. Hopefully tromano can fill us in on what is going on.
IMost of the 3.2 microbrews like squatters actually taste really good even though they are light on alcohol. They seem to make em taste good.

You can get real beer in private clubs (LDS recenly "blessed" a proposal to eliminate club membership fees ) and in some restaurants.
post #15 of 26
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IMost of the 3.2 microbrews like squatters actually taste really good even though they are light on alcohol. They seem to make em taste good.
I agree. Hey, a little bit of repression never made art worse.
post #16 of 26
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Originally Posted by tromano View Post
Last week I was at the liquour store and saw sierranevada for $1.12 for a 12oz the price includes tax. That used to cost over $2 a 12oz. bottle including tax. Some of the other cheaper beers that I saw were $.79 per 12oz (full strength). Definitely seemed cheaper than a few months ago. As cheap as a case of sierra back in PA or MD.
That is a good price. That's cheaper than you can often find it here in WA.

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Originally Posted by tromano View Post
Ok here is a link that describes the change I am talking about.

http://utahbeer.blogspot.com/2007/12...tah-first.html
Very interesting. I'm incredibly surprised that there weren't more news stories about this, because this is actually a pretty big change in tax policy for Utah. But, the proof is in the pudding, as they say. $6.72 for a 6-er of sierra nevada is not bad at all.
post #17 of 26
Warsteiner = still $1.80
Stiegl = Still $3.25
Pilsner Urquell = still $1.90
etc....
post #18 of 26

Deliverance.......

It's great that another state has a more f'ed up attitude towards booze dan South Kakalako! BTW are there corner hellfire and brimstone preachers howling at passers by?
post #19 of 26
While agreeing that UT beer could be stronger, let's not forget that 3.2 refers to alcohol by weight, not volume - it's the equivalent of 3.9 or 4% by volume.

A lot of very good beers sold in the UK (ales, at least) are no more than that. And some are only 3.5% by volume.
post #20 of 26
yeah great point! And when you get those big growlers they serve - what the heck it's pretty good. 6 pack == 5 generally speaking.
post #21 of 26
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Originally Posted by Sandgroper61 View Post
While agreeing that UT beer could be stronger, let's not forget that 3.2 refers to alcohol by weight, not volume - it's the equivalent of 3.9 or 4% by volume.

A lot of very good beers sold in the UK (ales, at least) are no more than that. And some are only 3.5% by volume.
Obviously a lot of it depends on personal tastes. While I think there are some good 3.2 Utah microbrews, in general most of the beers are very light-bodied. Even the darker beers like polygamy porter (which is tasty) are lighter-bodied than they should be, given their intended style. I assume this is due to the lower amount of malt they have to use to keep the alcohol down. IMO, this usually amounts to a easy drinking beer that's a little weak in flavor. For example, I don't believe that a 4% stout will ever be as tasty as a 6-7% stout, all other things being equal.

And yes, I know Guinness is around 4%, at least the stuff we get in the US. Despite it's popularity, I don't think it's a very good stout. Very weak flavored, and almost watery, for a stout.
post #22 of 26
Jaobrien: don't make the mistake of confusing the Guinness you drink in the States with the real thing.

Even the stuff in the UK is to the Irish version as sliced white is to pain de campagne. And the stuff in the UK knocks spots off the US version.

The stuff just doesn't travel.

I love it, but I respect anyone's right to disagree ... however, you will find some really flavourful ales in the UK which don't come close to 5%.
post #23 of 26
"Polygamy Porter- Take a few cases home for the wives!" I remember when we started drinking that stuff at ESA1!

But it's just another reason Grand Junction has so many liquor stores right along I-70- so it's an easy stop to load up on booze and beer before entering Utah.

I'm still suprised that some enterprising individual hasn't set up a liquor store on I-70 at the unincorporated Town of Mack (West of Fruita), with a large sign stating, "Last cheap booze before Utah"

I remember going to PSIA Nat Academies with no less than 8-10 cases in the truck.... and more than a few bottles of tequila to chase it with! hahah

When coming from the West, the stop is in Bendover, err, I mean, Wendover, Nevada.
post #24 of 26
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Originally Posted by Sandgroper61 View Post
Jaobrien: don't make the mistake of confusing the Guinness you drink in the States with the real thing.

Even the stuff in the UK is to the Irish version as sliced white is to pain de campagne. And the stuff in the UK knocks spots off the US version.

The stuff just doesn't travel.

I love it, but I respect anyone's right to disagree ... however, you will find some really flavourful ales in the UK which don't come close to 5%.
I have heard that from everyone who's been to Ireland, and I believe it. I'm still working on getting there myself to find out.
post #25 of 26
The Great American Beer festival just concluded. Utah beers won some more medals.

http://utahbeer.blogspot.com/2008/10...medalists.html

I went to "Beer School" at Desert Edge Brewery a few years back. Don't know if they still offer it or not. It was cool.

Got to talk to the Brewmaster for quite a while. Asked him what he would do differently if he had no restrictions. He said he wouldn't change many of his beers because he was already brewing to style (As Sandgroper noted), but he wished he could make a true IPA.

They've amended the law a bit since then and you can buy some more strong local beers at the source now.

Cheers!
post #26 of 26
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Originally Posted by jxb View Post
They've amended the law a bit since then and you can buy some more strong local beers at the source now.

Cheers!
As I understand that change, you can buy them, but you can't be served them in the brew-taverns...
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