Originally Posted by Garrett
That used to be common in the northeast. No idea why. Does this place perchance still rip tickets if they find you skiing between those dangerous trees inside the boundary?
Nothing wrong IMO with grooming some stuff when it snows, but everything is a bit overkill. I remember once as a kid begging a patroller to let me duck a rope and ski a trail that the hill was delaying opening so they could groom it. Lucky for me I prevailed and got a couple laps in...
I usually only go there late season because they stay open a week or two later than the other ones, so trees have been a non issue at that point in the year. They do have a few marked glades though.
I remember when inbounds trees and building jumps were a pass pull offense. The mountain I remember this from does not give a damn at all know about where you ski in bounds now. I've even gone on closed trails and had no problems. They actually only groom half of each trail now. Jumps may be a different story, they didn't (unfortunately) jump on the park bandwagon as much most hills and kind of half assed a park about 6-7 years after everyone else had something pretty solid.
I agree that groomers do have there place. I'd be an absolute liar if I said that ripping huge GS turns down some nice corduroy isn't a good time when the snow sucks. Hell it's a great time, but I like the freshies far more.
As I mentioned in the last thread where I commented on this topic, my last home mountain groomed exactly one half of every trail, didn't touch the other side, at all. Pow on snow days, crud other days and moguls after a while. Other side is all highway. They do some dumb stuff at this place, but that made up for it. Something for everyone.
Saves fuel and time too.
damn't I want a mountain with diversity. I want fresh pow after a storm, I want crud, I want trees, I want a park, I want a NASTAR course, I (sort of) want moguls, I want a pipe, I want corduroy, I want to be a skier without limitations or labels. Sorry for the fortune cookie philosophical shit, but ski areas trying to target market people is somewhat annoying. When it's Alta VS. Deer Valley, thats one thing, but for local hills that attract season pass holders not day ticket folks, IMHO a smart approach would be to offer a little bit of everything. Bring in the family with the NASTAR dad, park kids, groomer mom, club racer daughet and maybe a tree skier or too. Or for people that just like to ski everything, I know there are a lot of us.
Edit: I started typing this and just posted it, so I'm not trying to bogart the less fuel statements. it's a very true scenario. The cool half groomed mountain, I'm pretty sure just does it cause of fuel costs. They are kind of cheap so it works well for most parties involved.
I also like driving in the snow storms!! With a small front wheel drive car and a good set of XIces/Nokians/Blizzaks, it can truly be a fun experience, but proper equipment is definitely a good debate for another time(FWD vs. 4WD)!! Whatever the right equipment, if you've got something that works for you in snow, it's a good time.