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Skis for young girl...

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
Hi,
I hope I'm posting the question in the right forum...

I'm looking for new skis for my 8 year old girl. She had been in the recreational race program for 2 years now (Nancy Green program) and she is carving thru turns.

The question is: are there real difference other than graphics in most of the kids skis? My issue is she is tiny - she's about 125cm tall, so choice are very limited. Most "real" race skis starts from 130cm which is too long (& probably stiff) for her.

Any suggestions?

thanks!
post #2 of 19
At that size, don't bother with race skis. Just get a good ski she can flex.
post #3 of 19
Yes, there are real non-graphical differences in kids skis. Many companies make a beginner kids ski, an advanced kids ski, and a twin or two.

Of the current range of junior advanced non-twin tips, the Rossi Radial RSX Jr -- not the Racing (too big) or the non-RSX (beginner ski with similar graphics) -- looks like it might fit the bill in a 120.

Blizzard makes the SL Magnesium Jr. in a 120, which might work if it's not too stiff.
post #4 of 19
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the suggestions guys... From the websites, it sounds like the Rossi Radical RSX Jr is their better-than-beginner ski. And the only other one I can find is Elan's RC Junior Race.
But want to get a real sense if they simply have the race look & name (& charge more) or not. So, I should trust the fancy description I guess
post #5 of 19
Unfortunately, that's really the only thing you can turn to most of the time. If they aren't making a distinction between an introductory kids' ski and an advanced kids' ski, well, what are the chances that they're abandoning the beginner/recreational market (the vast majority of the potential market)?

K2 is a case in point. They used to market the Omni Jr ("recreational," i.e. beginner) and the Apache Jr (advanced) non-twin tips. They stopped making two non-twins around the same time they started making two twins (Juvy/Missy and Bad Seed).
post #6 of 19
hobieboy,

you can find the specifications of all the skis designed for kid here:

2009 models: http://www.skidetails.com/en/skiSear...&id_stagione=2
2008 models: http://www.skidetails.com/en/skiSear...&id_stagione=1
post #7 of 19
Fischer RC4 Competition Jr is positioned like the Rossi RSX, as a softer multidiscipline ski behind the WC SL Jr./WC GS Jr models. Comes flat in 120 and 130, longer lengths with a plate.

http://www.ski-depot.com/miva/mercha...oduct_Count=35
post #8 of 19
Peppe: That site is very useful for dimensions. But did I miss it, or do they not talk about any other aspect of the construction?

Squawker: I completely forgot about the Fischers. I'm sure they're a good option too. I think that Elan has a similarly positioned ski as well.
post #9 of 19
Several jr dual event or SL skis come in 120cm. Although they are considered race skis, they are really soft. They just have better construction.

Dynastar Team Omeglass
Elan SX
Head SL
Fischer Competition (already mentioned)
Rossi (already mentioned, whatever their duo is called)
Volkl and Blizzard also have them but they run more than the other brands.

Now, these are some of the non-entry level kid free skis available in about the same length.
Rossi Bandit Jr.
Head Mojo Spawn 2 or 3
K2 Bad Seed Jr
Line Celebrity Jr

Now, my non-pro opinion... Please keep in mind that if she's 125cm and you want to go with 120cm skis, she should really be a good skier (think about what you meant by carve). Otherwise, it'll hurt her skills in a long run. Good luck!
post #10 of 19
A couple of quibbles.

I believe that the last year that Rossi made the Bandit Jrs was 2006-07. I was going to recommend them otherwise. My seven-year-old twins used them as their primary skis last year in 118 and 128. They are probably not ideal for a kid racer, though, as the waist and sidecut are better suited to freeskiing.

Speaking of which, the K2 Bad Seed and Line Celebrity Mini are great skis that are completely inappropriate for a kid racer. The Bad Seed has an 85mm waist, and the Line Celebrity Mini is 80mm. Both are intended for jibbing and freeskiing. Don't get me wrong -- I think they're great skis. The aforementioned twins have 129 and 139 Bad Seeds waiting (without their knowledge), and their big sister will move up from 143 Celebrity Minis (mounted tele) to 153 this year. They're just not what this kid needs.

(Neither is the Volkl Mantra Jr, which wasn't mentioned but which, given their construction, probably would work better than the Bad Seeds or Celebrity Minis.)

Finally, unless you're talking about a K2, a 125cm girl will not be 5cm taller than a 120cm ski -- more like 8-9cm. That will put the skis on the tall side, but not out of the question. And a 125cm girl in early September is unlikely to be 125cm in early January. I would go with a 118-121cm ski.
post #11 of 19
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They are probably not ideal for a kid racer, though, as the waist and sidecut are better suited to freeskiing..
Yeah, I agree that the B Jr is not optimal for racing but they are certainly racible. My then 8-yo used them to race when we didn't have her duo with us. She was able to do railroad tracks on them and she did fine. But, if the OP is looking for one ski for his daughter for all conditions, the B Jr is not a bad choice (same goes for the other AM skis I mentioned).

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Speaking of which, the K2 Bad Seed and Line Celebrity Mini are great skis that are completely inappropriate for a kid racer. ..
Hmm... I went back and read the OP. Although with a slight mention of race skis, I didn't read he was specifically looking for race skis. IHMO, if the skills are there, the semi-fat skis will work fine. Just case in point, my then 12-yo raced on her Celebrity Jr. last year during non-training/race days. They even held a pretty good edge on our extra hard easter hardpack.

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Finally, unless you're talking about a K2, a 125cm girl will not be 5cm taller than a 120cm ski -- more like 8-9cm. That will put the skis on the tall side, but not out of the question. And a 125cm girl in early September is unlikely to be 125cm in early January. I would go with a 118-121cm ski.
Like I said, I didn't say it wasn't doable. I was just merely calling it out to the OP to be cautious. If she gets in the back seat at all, anything longer than chin height can make turning difficult. Even real coaches would agree with me on that.
post #12 of 19
Thread Starter 
Really thankful for the input folks...

Re: race ski or not - I'm in the east coast so ice, cruds are the norm. And what started me thinking was... in last year's race, she crashed because the ski (Rossi Fungirl) couldn't dig into the ice (ok - half the field crashed). I got it on video that both her skis are well on edge, but she just skidded straight down then bang. It could have been skills for sure, but I thought a better ski could help too?

Re:length - I'm also a little concerned. But as alpinedad said, but the time Dec/Jan rolls around, she'll have another few cm to make it work. BTW - I thought the "proper" length is between chin & nose; for kids (or adults for that matter?)?

I can quite easily find Elan, Rossi & Fisher here & Atomic. But others are harder to come by so sounds like these will be the choices and probably worth it (as opposed to another girly looking only beginner skis).
post #13 of 19
Could've also been the tune as much as anything. And boot fit could be a big issue as well.

Length is a tough call. For new skis for the kids, I've usually shot for nose height for flat tails, forehead for twins. But we're in the west, with nice open runs and soft snow much of the time. And I figure the turning radius is still short enough that they can get around well. YMMV.
post #14 of 19
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in last year's race, she crashed because the ski (Rossi Fungirl) couldn't dig into the ice (ok - half the field crashed).
Alright, that is good info. By race, if you mean Nastar, then pretty much any decent skis she's comfortable with will work. If it's USSA, then I would probably go with a SL or dual event. They are soft enough for her size but are much better constructed and also can provide a better edge hold (if tuned to par).

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I got it on video that both her skis are well on edge, but she just skidded straight down then bang. It could have been skills for sure, but I thought a better ski could help too?
So long as you're not going too long and too stiff, a better ski should work better for her.

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Originally Posted by hobieboy View Post
Re:length - I'm also a little concerned. But as alpinedad said, but the time Dec/Jan rolls around, she'll have another few cm to make it work. BTW - I thought the "proper" length is between chin & nose; for kids (or adults for that matter?)?
For younger kids, you can't go too short (> chest height). At the expense of speed, shorter skis will turn easier and better technique can be learned (especially as a racer). For adults, long skis will be more stable at speed and float better but I don't think they reap the same benefits with such small bodies. As stated by Alpinedad, you can go a tad longer with AM or twins.

As for growth, my 9-yo can use another 10cm or so. She grew a total of maybe an inch or two over the last two years.

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I can quite easily find Elan, Rossi & Fisher here & Atomic.
Oh, good thing you mentioned Atomic. This year's Race 10 also comes in 120 and would also make a good choice.
post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by alpinedad View Post
And boot fit could be a big issue as well.
Good call! Just to add, for her age and size, go soft.
post #16 of 19
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Originally Posted by alpinedad View Post
Peppe: That site is very useful for dimensions. But did I miss it, or do they not talk about any other aspect of the construction?
alpinedad: I did the site and I'm glad you found it useful. The construction point is very difficult, because not all makers use the same terminology about it. So, I just preferred to mention the construciont as stated in makers website.
post #17 of 19

Racing Skis for 8 and 10 year old girls

This is a terrific string of thoughts. It occurs to me that weight is another consideration - perhaps even more so than height at this stage. My girls are 8 and 10 and are the top skiers in their age groups at our club. The younger one beat all of the boys and girls her age and a year older last year and would have been 5th among the girls two years older. They are 4"6" and 4'10" tall and 66 lbs and 80 lbs respectively and both aggressive skiers with good edge to edge transfer.

Last year the younger one skied on Atomic Race 10 120cm and the older one on the Rossi RSX Racing Jr (with riser plate) in a 130cm.

My understanding is that the riser doesn't affect stiffness (not sure) but it certainly adds weight. I have been told by some that both my girls should be on risers and I should also be concious that they have skis with a sidewall and slalom radius.

The thought was that a longer ski provides stability and with a true slalom radius they will get plenty of turnability (is that a word?). The suggestion was to use the one daughter's 130 Rossis for the younger one and to get a 140cm junior slalom racing ski for the older one with a plate.

At 66 lbs I was leaning more to a lighter 130 junior racing ski Rossi RSX (without the plate), Dynastar Omeglass, Atomic Race 10 or Racetiger Jr all without riser plates for the 8 yr old.

For the 80 lb older daughter I was thinking about a similar ski to what she had last year in either a 135 or 140.

I have seen the comments regarding a ski that challenges for further development without overwelming and hurting results and confidence. We ski about 60 days a year, most of which is race training or racing for the girls.

Thoughts anyone?
post #18 of 19
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Originally Posted by alpinedad View Post
Yes, there are real non-graphical differences in kids skis. Many companies make a beginner kids ski, an advanced kids ski, and a twin or two.
I may be mistaken, but pretty sure all kid's skis are made by two companies, Elan and Fischer, and then rebadged. Ditto for bindings. Maybe we have different defs of "kid?"

Anyway, agree with Harry Morgan. Get a normal jr ski she can bend and experiment with edge angles. Fischer IMO is best, both because of the bindings and because she can transition into real racing Fischers, which seem very popular among girl racers.
post #19 of 19
head makes a ski called the worldcup race..its also a competitor to the flat rsx. wood core, combi sidecut...

re plated vs not, the plate definitely adds a bit of weight and stiffness to the ski..itll allow your daughters to tramp on the ski a bit more...

the rsx is a great little ski. probably 75 or 80% of that age group are racing on them around where i live
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