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post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 
Has anyone demo'ed the 2009 Kastle RX first hand, the magazine reviews have been positive. Where can these be purchased for a reasonable price, they seem pretty expensive?
post #2 of 26
There is an active discussion about 8 threads down. here

Are they expensive? Yes, Can the be purchased "reasonable", what is reasonable? Cheap? not for a while. They are a premium ski and will demand a premium price, at least for this upcoming season.
post #3 of 26
. . . and the brand name is spelled Kästle - note the umlaut over the a.
post #4 of 26
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. . . and the brand name is spelled Kästle - note the umlaut over the a.
...and they're skis - note the lack of an apostrophe.
post #5 of 26
Thread Starter 
Umlaut = $$$
post #6 of 26
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Umlaut = $$$
If you go shopping for deals in the umlaut district, be careful of the water.

I had diaeresis for a week.
post #7 of 26
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I had diaeresis for a week.
Good one
post #8 of 26
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If you go shopping for deals in the umlaut district, be careful of the water.

I had diaeresis for a week.
Superb!!
post #9 of 26
Y'know, the funny thing about this obsession with Kastle prices is that well-regarded handmade indie skis like Bros, Priors, 4Frnts etc. are now hitting $900 and up, flat, or about $200-$300 less than what the low volume hand-made Kastles will sell for flat. And a lot of mass produced "system skis" like the Grizzly are being offered right now for $1100-$1200. So the difference between the Kastles actual store price and these others, adjusted for bindings, is 10-15%. Not peanuts, but does it warrant the shock and awe? You guys are caught in last year's dollar and last year's online deals. Go check the currency markets. And this year's ski prices...
post #10 of 26
Currency prices? uh, I think I'll check out the contents of my wallet first. That's where the money comes from, currency prices be damned. And if you comparison shop, there are some great skis out there for lots less. So why buy a pair of skis THAT EXPENSIVE before a demo?

That said . . . if the Kästles with the umlaut check out at demo time and don't give me diaeresis for a month [thanks, Comprex!!!], it may be worth a closet clearance sale to buy the Kästles with the umlaut. Maybe even without the umlaut, if that's what makes them THAT EXPENSIVE.
post #11 of 26
Personally, from everything I've heard about these skis and seeing the price difference, I'd probably be more inclined to spend the extra $200-$300 and get a pair of Kastles over say, a pair of Grizzlies... That's if I had money, of course, which I don't... I've just heard great things about them and don't think the money is THAT much out of line... Not like they're a Carradan Mamba or something... Even skis like the Virus Raptor are far more expensive! If you ask me, Kastle has made a hell of a ski and only made it slightly more expensive, not grossly so.
post #12 of 26
That said, for that money, a demo before purchase is in order. "Hearing great things" isn't the same as "experiencing great things".
post #13 of 26
Is a $1200 ski 2x better than 2 $600 skis? or 3 $400 skis? Thats what I have trouble absorbing
post #14 of 26
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That said, for that money, a demo before purchase is in order. "Hearing great things" isn't the same as "experiencing great things".
Oh, for sure! I'm a deal hunter by nature and I can't afford them, but I'm just sayin' that it's at least semi-reasonable for a "premium" ski to be sold at 2-3 hundo more than a "regular" ski- whereas a company like Carradan sells them for um, like a Benz difference in cost- I'd like to ski the Kastles and the Mamba back to back and see what 48.5k buys me... THAT would be the real test for me... Personally I wouldn't think they're 2 or 3x better than a cheaper ski, but hey- to each his own and I don't think they're exactly "ripping people off"...
post #15 of 26
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Is a $1200 ski 2x better than 2 $600 skis? or 3 $400 skis? Thats what I have trouble absorbing
If you divide the extra cost over the number of days skiing and ask yourself if it would be worth the extra 2 bucks to rent that ski you would probably say yes. As for me, I can't afford ordinary skis. I buy special deal left-over skis from a few years ago, or from stores about to go out of business.

The best is worth it if you have the money.

Of course it remains to be seen if the new Kästles are worth it. Nordica might be closer to old Kästle in terms of lineage, but according to the hype the new Kästles certainly strive to be the best and if so are close in spirit.

BTW I prescribe umlauts as a prophilactic against Diaeresis, which is more likely to occur with Kaestle than Kästle.
post #16 of 26
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If you divide the extra cost over the number of days skiing and ask yourself if it would be worth the extra 2 bucks to rent that ski you would probably say yes. As for me, I can't afford ordinary skis. I buy special deal left-over skis from a few years ago, or from stores about to go out of business.

The best is worth it if you have the money.

Of course it remains to be seen if the new Kästles are worth it. Nordica might be closer to old Kästle in terms of lineage, but according to the hype the new Kästles certainly strive to be the best and if so are close in spirit.

BTW I prescribe umlauts as a prophilactic against Diaeresis, which is more likely to occur with Kaestle than Kästle.
I have skied the Nordies and Kastles, the Nordies are NOT near the Kastles. The Blizzard's are closer to the Kastle feel.
post #17 of 26
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Is a $1200 ski 2x better than 2 $600 skis? or 3 $400 skis? Thats what I have trouble absorbing
Phil, you're having trouble absorbing it because it's an unfair comparison. The $1200 ski is this year's, the $600 skis are last year's or 06's that were overproduced or perhaps not that great to begin with, and the $400 skis are from 05 at best and have been outrun by tech advances since. (Go to Fleabay and check out what Denver Wholesale is selling at $400.)

My point, which you and Oboe are stubbornly avoiding, is that the prices ARE NOT THAT DIFFERENT if the comparison is made on a level field. And the difference is explainable by changes in the value of the dollar + increased costs to make skis in smaller runs + the extra costs of handmade goods. So it's neither mysterious nor out of line.

More to a point you'll appreciate, this is like asking if a Porsche GT is now worth four Mitsubishi Evo X's. In terms of use value (getting to the store/slope and back), no way. In terms of measurable performance, yes, but not by much. In terms of refinement and the sheer joy of driving it - which creates exchange value far more than needing to get milk at the store - well, if you have to ask, you should go take a spin and get back to us with the outcome. Oboe's right about that part..
post #18 of 26
Beyond, I love you.

So unusual and refreshing to read something that makes sense and isn't comparing Apples and Watermelons. Thank you.
post #19 of 26
I agree on the price, while I would not pay full price @ $1200 for a pair of skis, all the skis I own had at one time a MSRP of over $1200, and thats for skis that are mass produced by a big successful company. Considering that this ski is new and has limited availability and distribution, the price is fair...not great, but fair, and when considering how well its reviewing I would even say justified.
post #20 of 26
Thread Starter 
Where can one even buy a pair of Kastle RX's in the mid-west? I won't pay the $1450 MSRP for the RX's, theres a lot of mark up in ski's! As noted in an earlier post, most of my ski's at one time had an MSRP of $1450 but I've never paid over about $800 for any of them. Granted the Kastles are new and somewhat limited (I can't even find a dealer), I'll probably pay more but not $1450!
post #21 of 26
Beyond, if you think I'm "stubbornly avoiding" - I'm not avoiding at all. I have never disputed the value of the skis or the "fairness" of their price. My only, ONLY point is this: For that kind of cash outlay, I'll try before I buy.

If the difference I perceive is worth it . . . that I have my work cut out for me, because these skis WILL be mine.
post #22 of 26
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Phil, you're having trouble absorbing it because it's an unfair comparison. The $1200 ski is this year's, the $600 skis are last year's or 06's that were overproduced or perhaps not that great to begin with, and the $400 skis are from 05 at best and have been outrun by tech advances since. (Go to Fleabay and check out what Denver Wholesale is selling at $400.)

My point, which you and Oboe are stubbornly avoiding, is that the prices ARE NOT THAT DIFFERENT if the comparison is made on a level field. And the difference is explainable by changes in the value of the dollar + increased costs to make skis in smaller runs + the extra costs of handmade goods. So it's neither mysterious nor out of line.

More to a point you'll appreciate, this is like asking if a Porsche GT is now worth four Mitsubishi Evo X's. In terms of use value (getting to the store/slope and back), no way. In terms of measurable performance, yes, but not by much. In terms of refinement and the sheer joy of driving it - which creates exchange value far more than needing to get milk at the store - well, if you have to ask, you should go take a spin and get back to us with the outcome. Oboe's right about that part..
I understand the apples to apples comparison and agree that Kastles, compared to other high end skis really isn't out of wack. I also agree that you ARE getting what you pay for in that product. There are many items that I will spend the extra for to get that premium product, it usually involves eating and drinking though .

This is a fair quality vs. quantity argument that will meet different people at different needs. I don't think anyone is questioning the Kastles worth, but more so the worth to that individual. But like I said in the other thread "to quote Ferris Bueller...If you have the means, I highly recommend them".
post #23 of 26
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Beyond, I love you.

So unusual and refreshing to read something that makes sense and isn't comparing Apples and Watermelons. Thank you.
Whiteroom

Checked out your website, and it looks to me like a fair price for skis. I was in Vail a couple of weeks ago and looked at the Kastle's, but given 1) that I've bought two new pair of skis this year and 2) I'm unwilling to pay MSRP, I passed. But nice to know that you are retailing at a price I might pay.

Mike
post #24 of 26
I was just looking at the Kastle catalog today. It's a hardcover. That must be worth something, right?
post #25 of 26
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I was just looking at the Kastle catalog today. It's a hardcover. That must be worth something, right?
Unlike the Hart, which is printed from an Epson inkjet.
post #26 of 26
Can you get the plain ole KASTLE w/o the umlaut and all?

Any discount for school teachers?

Didn't think so.....BOO!

old post but what the hay
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