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Bought some Nordica Hot Rod Jet Fuels. Opinions?

post #1 of 19
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I was passing by a local ski shop and saw a deal on some brand new 2007-2008 Nordica Hot Rod Jet Fuel 184cm with bindings for $450. I have a few weeks to return them though. Was wondering if I could get some opinions on them, since I can't really ski them yet.

I saw some of the reviews in ski and skiing magazine which looked pretty good.

Me:
5'8"
225 lbs (stocky..big thighs).
40 years old skiing since I was 3 and Snowboarding for 16 yrs.
I ski/snowboard about 40-50 days/year.
Colorado Summit County mostly
Skiis that I have been using lately: Volkl Allstar 175cm (carving), Rossignol B4 178cm.

I don't really like the B4s that much. They are ok in powder but a little too short for me, and not so good in other stuff in the afternoon after the powder is gone (don't usually change skiis mid-day). I like my Volkl Allstars a lot. They are great on groomers and hardpack and light snow.

I was looking for something that can still carve some turns but a little better in 6-8" powder and crud, but not as wide as the B4s.

Also, I tend to favor shorter slalom turns over longer turns, although that is changing as I get older I like bumps as well, although tend to do them less lately. Not sure how well these will do in the bumps.

Anyone used these Jet Fuels.. Any ideas? Just want a 2nd opinion before I have to return them. They only had 184cm at this price, too. So I can't go with a 178.
post #2 of 19
Well, if your username is the purpose for which you purchased these skis, then you may not be thrilled. I believe this is the ski that Paul Jones has, and though he skis moguls, he has said that they are not ideal.
They are, however, a very good All mountain ski!
post #3 of 19
Saw your post about the Jet Fuels. I haven't skied them but I have a pair of Afterburners which is the same ski with a carbon layer rather than metal. It's a really good do everything ski, carves gs turns fine, decent in bumps, kills crud, ok in pow but doesn't really float. No speed limit that I can find. They seem to like high edge angles and will smear nicely if kept a little flatter.

The common wisdom on the web is the Jet Fuel is a much more burley ski. You've got 35 pounds on me but I'm 5-11 and reasonably aggressive. I'm on the 178 and would not want it any longer. The 170 for me might even have been better.



Steve
post #4 of 19
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I mis-spoke on these also. They are 186 rather then 184. I don't really plan on using them for moguls. More for a semi-powder day.. 4-8" of snow where the snow gets skied off in the afternoon.
post #5 of 19
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Originally Posted by mogulman1 View Post
I was looking for something that can still carve some turns but a little better in 6-8" powder and crud, but not as wide as the B4s.

Also, I tend to favor shorter slalom turns over longer turns, although that is changing as I get older I like bumps as well, although tend to do them less lately. Not sure how well these will do in the bumps.

Anyone used these Jet Fuels.. Any ideas? Just want a 2nd opinion before I have to return them. They only had 184cm at this price, too. So I can't go with a 178.
I'd say...truely exceptional ski. But, it's a lot of ski. Jet Fuel is meant for speed. It will rip in crud and do ok in powder, more so at the longer length.

It would not be considered a bump ski. It is not a short turner. Unlike the Afterburner, the Jet Fuel really wants to hold an edge. It's a GS ski in terms of performance.

This ski IMHO is for very good skiers. The 183 length is long but will be great for CO.

You never really talked about your skill level and that would help alot. The ski will like your weight and size.

You've got one great ski in the Jet Fuel. I would encourage you to grab it and learn to ski it. If you can get it to work for you, you will be amazed. Pass on it if you are not a "very good skier". This ski is capable of improving you skiing if it's not too much ski.
post #6 of 19
186 is too much. It's a ski that is skied shorter as ss7 mentioned.
post #7 of 19
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Originally Posted by Paul Jones View Post
186 is too much. It's a ski that is skied shorter as ss7 mentioned.
For a right sized dude living in the mountainous region of the continent? Heck no, not too large.

Excellent choice OP, hope you love 'em.
post #8 of 19
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Originally Posted by mogulman1 View Post
I mis-spoke on these also. They are 186 rather then 184. I don't really plan on using them for moguls. More for a semi-powder day.. 4-8" of snow where the snow gets skied off in the afternoon.
That's pretty much when I use mine. In Summit though those days also include some powder bump runs.

Another consideration although $450 is probably a great price from a real store I've seen both JF and AB for $400 or less new on the web (that's what I paid). Of course yo won't find those prices once the season starts.
post #9 of 19
I haven't skied it, but on paper it looks like a good choice. The only thing that goes against your self-description is that you will need to tip them a lot to get short turns, but if you've spent a while with a short radius ski, that shouldn't be a problem. At 225 lbs, they might even work for you at slower speeds; slow skiing is over-rated anyway.
post #10 of 19
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Yeah.. My skiing ability.. I ski pretty much anything.. Gates, Out of Bounds, Moguls, powder. Only thing is I've slowed down a little since I've gotten older. Just turned 40. So I stop quite a few times on moguls and don't like to hike up to ski anymore.
post #11 of 19
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Originally Posted by stevesmith7 View Post
That's pretty much when I use mine. In Summit though those days also include some powder bump runs.

Another consideration although $450 is probably a great price from a real store I've seen both JF and AB for $400 or less new on the web (that's what I paid). Of course yo won't find those prices once the season starts.
What's AF and JF? I looked on the web and only saw demos for around $400. Maybe I'll try these and if I don't like them I'll try fleabaying them.
post #12 of 19
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
I haven't skied it, but on paper it looks like a good choice. The only thing that goes against your self-description is that you will need to tip them a lot to get short turns, but if you've spent a while with a short radius ski, that shouldn't be a problem. At 225 lbs, they might even work for you at slower speeds; slow skiing is over-rated anyway.
Slow skiing? Did I say I ski slow? heck no. Although I do have to stop more often on moguls now that I'm 40.
post #13 of 19
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Originally Posted by mogulman1 View Post
What's AF and JF? I looked on the web and only saw demos for around $400. Maybe I'll try these and if I don't like them I'll try fleabaying them.
AB= Afterburner
JF= Jet Fuel

I saw good deals a month ago, maybe too late this year.

I'd be happy to let you try my Afterburners, I'm mostly at Keystone and Abasin.

Steve
post #14 of 19
Mogulman I ski the Top Fuel which is exactly the same construction as the JF only 6MM narrower at the waist.

I'm 6'6" 185lbs and ski the 178 which I would not want them any loner. You have 40lbs on me though and as another stated, the extra length would help with float.

It's a fairly heavy ski and will absolutely blast through crud with virtually zero deflection. It holds a fantastic edge and loves speed. I do disagree with one of the posters with respect for needing to be a "very good skier". I'm an upper intermediate and don't even have to pay attention to the skis. They just go where I point them and don't require much attention in my opinion.

Hope that helps
post #15 of 19
I just got around to demoing Afterburners last winter, then JF's well after that. Preferred the latter for one mission (carving crud at speed), but the Afterburners for another (bumps and lower speed cruising in crud and soft snow). OTOH, if you ski Allstars in bumps right now, you should do OK; they are also stiff and full of metal. Unlikely though you will find a ski that is stiff enough to handle your size in a high speed carve on hardpack, but will also eat up bumps and float nicely in boot-top powder...
post #16 of 19
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
I just got around to demoing Afterburners last winter, then JF's well after that. Preferred the latter for one mission (carving crud at speed), but the Afterburners for another (bumps and lower speed cruising in crud and soft snow). OTOH, if you ski Allstars in bumps right now, you should do OK; they are also stiff and full of metal. Unlikely though you will find a ski that is stiff enough to handle your size in a high speed carve on hardpack, but will also eat up bumps and float nicely in boot-top powder...
Yeah.. I have been skiing the Allstars in bumps definitely much better then the B4s in the bumps. I actually kind of like them in bumps. I grew up skiing 200-204s K2 VO Slaloms in bumps back at Killington/Stratton/Stowe. So a lot of these newer 170-180s seem easier.

I'm kind of looking forward to these skis now. At first I was a little scared, but I really like stiff skis so I think these might work out for me especially for the usual Summit county skiing.
post #17 of 19
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Ok... Finally had about 7 days on the Nordica Hot Rod Jet Fuel 186cm.

I love these skis. I was worried about the length before I skied them, but these things are incredible. Great for long/mid turns. Ok in shorter turns. Groomers, Powder, Crud..... Very easy to turn for me. Also kept an edge very well. Carving turns like butter.

Skied them last Wednesday in 1 1/2 ft powder at Vail. Loved them. 6" at Keystone. Great too....

Getting rid of my Rossi B4s, because I like these much better. The Rossi's were just too hard to use in anything except pure powder. Anyone want a pair of Rossi B4 178?

I've been using these on days when I might have used my Volkl Allstars too. I'll keep the Allstars for real hard pack, but I'll probably be using these Jet Fuels for most other Colorado ski days.
post #18 of 19
Sweet!!

The Jet Fuel 186 is actually my groomer/crud ski. I love it. It is demanding though. Kinda hurt on flat-light days because I can't let them run. I'm in my third season with them and have yet to find the speed limit. I call them Tanks on Speed Skates.

BTW, on harder snow days, try moving the binding forward one setting... shorter turns will come easier and the ski will be more manageable.
post #19 of 19
I use the JF 170 almost everyday here in JH. I'm 5'10 160 lbs and 170 is fine. I've also skied the TF 170 and the Hell Cat in 178 and loved them. I don't find the JF to be a great bump or powder ski, but I use it anyway and it works. It is a great crud buster and holds on hardpack really well.
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