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Recommend a SL/GS ski

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
Hey ES.com,

I'm looking for a set of skis to race with this year. I'm 5'8", 130lb, 18 y/o, level 9ish skier.

I already have a set of boots picked out and am now looking at skis. They are just for club racing and do not need to be FIS legal. I will be skiing both SL and GS and need a hybrid ski or a pair specifically for each. My budget is about $800 for skis and bindings. I don't mind buying previous years' models on ebay, etc.

The manufacturers' websites are ridiculously confusing and besides Volkl and Fischer, I don't really know what the others' race ski models are.

Can anyone recommend a set of bound "hybrid" skis or two bound pairs for my price range? I haven't had the chance and will not have the chance to demo any. I don't have any brand preferences, so recommendations of any brand will be appreciated.

When I get a list of models to look at, how do I know which one suits me best?

Thanks for your responses, and let me know if I'm missing any info.
post #2 of 21
Using a ski for both sl & gs a really bad idea.

Question #1 male/female?

If you have a $800 budget & are a legit level 9 skier here what to do: go to a mtn swap that has an academy & get a used sl & gs.
They will be shaped, tuned & waxed better than you ever will get them. At a large swap you can get each for ~$150 w/ binding, cheaper perhaps.
Sl will be easier- 150 or 155cm
GS: prob a 167-175cm

At your wt (boy or girl) I would avoid fischer / head ; Rossi, Dynastar tend to be softer.

Skis from 06, 07 will be fine!
post #3 of 21
Not an ideal situation here, I am no racing pro, but I know that the needs are quite different between SL and GS. That being said one must do what they have to do with what they have.

Look at the Head Supershape series. I think the Chip might be a good choice since its stable at high speeds and has a relatively tight turning radius.

For $800 you can get both a bonafide SL and GS.

Here are some excellent genuine race stock SL skis, I actually have a pair of these, and I think these are your size, grab them: http://www.levelninesports.com/head-...cm-p-3010.html

Check on all the ski racing forums, you can get fantastic deals on hardly used gear from masters racers.
post #4 of 21
As a newbie racer, agree with what they said. A cheater GS will work for Nastar or club GS just fine. In a SL, you will end up impaled on the second gate, testing RR's finer points about face guards and blood loss...
post #5 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the replies. I'm a guy, just interested in club racing for my HS (and skiing the mountains for fun, of course).

Right now I'm leaning toward Atomic and Fischer. I have a friend (a little smaller than me) who swears by Fischer. She says that Atomics are too stiff for her. I've had a few pairs of Atomics (race and all mountains) and didn't mind them much, but do agree with her. Oh yeah, she's a way better skier than I.

So we think I'd be good on a ski like Fischer. I did ski on a friend's 2 year old Head last year and it felt very heavy and sluggish. Have they improved since then? I also demoed two skis last year. One of them was the Salomon Equipe 10 SC and the other was a Streetracer 9. I struggled on both (but still liked the 10 SC); they were too soft, if that helps.

I found a nice pair of Atomic Race 8's in 174cm for GS for sale here. Good? Bad?

And yes. I have NEVER raced before. I have been skiing all my life, but never through a course. Also, can these racing skis be skied outside the course, say on normal trails with packed powder, some ice and crud?

Any other ideas for a slalom ski? Also, what would my DIN number be? *confused*
post #6 of 21

One race ski

If you are just starting into High School racing with out a junior race background you can do fine with one ski for both. At our area I have set several kids up with either a 170 or a 165cm Fischer Race SC [not WC SC, thats not as all around]. If you haven't run much SL you don't need a wc sl ski, the SC will do fine and we've have adults race beer league GS on the 175cm SC no problem and they are much heavier than you. I wouldn't heasitate to buy this ski in an '06 or '07 model the only real difference is cosmetic. I am a Fischer rep so take it with a grain of salt but the SC is a great all around race and free ski. Good Luck
post #7 of 21
Do not mistaken Head ski's ability to smoothen out the ride for being sluggish.

In other words, if you do 50mph in a Yugo you will feel like you are about to break the sound barrier. Now if you do 120mph in a Porsche 911TT it will feel you are just creeping along. Similar situation here. You need to really get going on the race Heads to feel the speed in the skis...this of course is a major plus.
post #8 of 21
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Originally Posted by lkwinnipesaukee View Post
Also, what would my DIN number be? *confused*
Your DIN number is determined by a magic chart that any ski shop has. They take your height, weight, aggressiveness level, and the chart tells them a number.

Tell the shop that you will be racing on these; i.e., you want about the highest setting that the chart tells you (at least as a starting point). I've had skis pre-release in race courses, back when I went with a mid-range DIN setting... trust me, it's a painful way to fall.
post #9 of 21
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
As a newbie racer, agree with what they said. A cheater GS will work for Nastar or club GS just fine. In a SL, you will end up impaled on the second gate, testing RR's finer points about face guards and blood loss...
Blood loss is fun though! Who doesnt like getting slapped in the face on a flush and finishing in a red bib? To add on to the greatness, the bib is usually retired to your name due to stains!

As for DINs, crank those babys up to 30! ;]
post #10 of 21
Just in case...these guys are kidding about the 30 DIN.
post #11 of 21
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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
Just in case...these guys are kidding about the 30 DIN.
I do have 30s though, and I have cranked em up (its soooo frickn hard to do it too, springs are mad tight).
post #12 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the replies. I picked out a GS ski-- an Atomic Race 8 174cm from a member here giving me a great deal. How will that ski suit me?


Now, a slalom ski. The Head I skied did provide a smoother ride but was definitely pretty heavy and unresponsive. Turns were took more effort than with other skis. I felt like I was dogging down the mountain. But I don't know what model I skied. Given the popularity of Head, they must be doing something right, at least with their race skis, so I'm still open to them, especially given that price.

But does anyone have any other suggestions for places that sell new, older model skis online? High school kid has to pay for his entire quiver!!!
post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by lkwinnipesaukee View Post
High school kid has to pay for his entire quiver!!!
ouch.

I would say grab the pair of Volkl Racetigers that were just listed on ebay (155s). Nice soft slalom ski.
post #14 of 21
Thread Starter 
Hahah yep. "The skis you have now are fine."

I have a pair of Atomic Beta V 180cm and a pair of Salomon 145cm park skis. And boots that I can live in. Oh and they have little "45"s on the sides.

Nah. I want to go to school in FL and my parents don't think I'd ever come back to use the skis again. Ahh, what can you do?

Anyway, my friend says that those 156cm's are too small and I should be on something like a 160 or 161 or 162. Is she right or is she full of it (and hopefully not reading this )?

Thanks again for all the help.
post #15 of 21
I'm bigger than you and enjoy using 156 Volkl P70s (mounted with Comp 30 bindings ofcourse ) in my free time / playing in courses. Not too small, esp going by race xp/skill.
post #16 of 21
Check out the ski swap that the Gunstock Ski Club puts on. They have good used gear there. Don't bother with the ski shop in Gilford... you know the one... you can get anything they sell there 25% cheaper at any other shop. I have Atomic GS skis and SL skis and I would not trade them for anything on the race course. Off the course, they are a lot of effort to work all day long. FIscher SC is a good all around ski... Stockli and Knissel are harder to find, bt very user friendly.
post #17 of 21
You don't need a GS ski especially a race stock for club racing.

Stockli SC, do some hunting on ebay, also recommend setting the boot/ski center just a tad forward for running gates.
post #18 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the advice.

Yup. I know that shop, right outside the access road to Gunstock. Their yearly going-out-of-business sale ( ) is the time where I can get anything from the limited selection for 125% of retail price!


I already purchased a GS ski, so I guess it's too late to just get an SL.

Edit-- urghhh-- I just got some stuff for the sailboat and now I'm cheaping out on the ski gear. I found a pair of new Volkl Racetiger SL's on Craigslist cheap. They're 165cm. Would that be too big for me? What about a pair of Junior race skis--around 150cm? Do they make junior skis softer than normal ones?

Then after this--boots, poles, helmet, suit. AHHH!!!!
post #19 of 21
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Originally Posted by lkwinnipesaukee View Post
Thanks for the advice.

Yup. I know that shop, right outside the access road to Gunstock. Their yearly going-out-of-business sale ( ) is the time where I can get anything from the limited selection for 125% of retail price!


I already purchased a GS ski, so I guess it's too late to just get an SL.

Edit-- urghhh-- I just got some stuff for the sailboat and now I'm cheaping out on the ski gear. I found a pair of new Volkl Racetiger SL's on Craigslist cheap. They're 165cm. Would that be too big for me? What about a pair of Junior race skis--around 150cm? Do they make junior skis softer than normal ones?

Then after this--boots, poles, helmet, suit. AHHH!!!!
The longer Jr skis (ie, 150 cm) have the same flex as the race stock adult versions (not WC). As for the 165s, I'm not entirely sure, really depends on your ability.

Quick question, what school are you racing for and what division are you guys in?
post #20 of 21
Thread Starter 
It's a school in the Worcester County area skiing out of Ski Ward. Just club racing against other high schools.

So I've had a few SL skis presented before me:

-Atomic Race 8's in 155cm w/ bindings, like new--$400 (might be able to go lower). Note that I just bought a pair of Race 8 GS skis. These would "match," if it matters at all.

-Volkl Racetiger SL in 165cm w/ bindings, like new--$300

-Dynastar Team Comp in 164cm w/ bindings, new--$350

-Volkl P60 SC in 161cm, new. Not sure on price yet. Probably fairly cheap.

Any ideas? Suggestions, criticism?

Thanks
post #21 of 21
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Originally Posted by lkwinnipesaukee View Post
It's a school in the Worcester County area skiing out of Ski Ward. Just club racing against other high schools.

So I've had a few SL skis presented before me:

-Atomic Race 8's in 155cm w/ bindings, like new--$400 (might be able to go lower). Note that I just bought a pair of Race 8 GS skis. These would "match," if it matters at all.

-Volkl Racetiger SL in 165cm w/ bindings, like new--$300

-Dynastar Team Comp in 164cm w/ bindings, new--$350

-Volkl P60 SC in 161cm, new. Not sure on price yet. Probably fairly cheap.

Any ideas? Suggestions, criticism?

Thanks
ah, for some reason i thought you were from NH.

If the SL's are non WC version, then try em out. worst comes to worst, you can just resell them. $300 is a good price.
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