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Time for the old MP3 question...

post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 
Yeah, I know we talked about this last year, but in the end, I didn't buy one. I'm now thinking it might be a good idea so that I can listen to something good when stuck on a lift in Utah next to oboe & gonzo ( ).

So, my requirements are simple:
I want a small MP3 player that uses Compact Flash memory cards.

The reasons for using memory cards rather than hard disks/CDs etc:
1. I will be using it while moving around (so I don't want it jumping)
2. I will be using it in the cold (if there's no mechanical parts then the battery life should be greater)
3. (most importantly) My camera uses Compact Flash memory, so I can use the cards to store music or photos.

Advice? (and cheap places to buy it online?)

S
post #2 of 26
My advice:

FORGET about the MP3, fox. If you're lucky enough to be on a chairlift with oboe and Gonzo, you can just relax and enjoy participating in the farting contest. I expect to be a distant last place when the final score is tallied [hopefully VERY distant], but hey! It's the spirit of competition that counts!

[ December 31, 2002, 08:04 AM: Message edited by: oboe ]
post #3 of 26
Thread Starter 
...that's a breath of fresh air for YOU to derail one of MY threads!

I'd be more concerned by the amount of hot air you two might generate - we could end up with a pocket of global warming worse than they're forecasting for Europe in 2003!

S

P.S. Anyone with a HELPFUL answer?
post #4 of 26
Players:

http://www.mp3shopping.com/english/mp3-players.htm

Flash Cards / Memory:
http://www.mp3shopping.com/english/memory.htm

If it's not here, it's not made yet.

EP

[ December 31, 2002, 09:03 AM: Message edited by: EPSkis ]
post #5 of 26
The only people at ski areas that really bother me are the one's with the music on the lift. Skiing is something extremely special. Why ruin the serene beauty of the mountains by withdrawing into yourself with your tunes. I like music as much as the next guy. I am in fact a rather accomplished guitarist, but listening on the headphones on the lift? Isn't that seriously bordering on sad? If you can't survive without music for a day on the slopes there must be some underlying problem. As Winston Churchill put it: "If there is one thing that characterizes this great 20th century better than any other, it is the fanatical addiction to recorded music that has pervaded every corner of society." That is not to say that music isn't a wonderful thing. As I say, I'm a musician, but do we really need it on the slopes? Has skiing gotten so effortless and easy in recent years that our brain can handle other things? It's almost enough to make me cry.
post #6 of 26
I've found that one MP3 player is pretty much similar to another, althought the software they package with them can vary quite a bit - some work with windows media, some don't etc.
Personally I got an Intel MP3 player last year at a clearance deal and I love it for just the reasons you've noted, great battery life, no moving parts to break and easy to transfer music - I get bored with the same mix day in day out. Sorry that I don't have specific recommendations, but you're definitely on the right track.
In regards to the whole idea of listening to music while skiing (MM) - you say tomato I say tomato - to each their own. I personally love the fact I can zone out on the chair and not be required to make the same inane tourist chatter everyone ride up - if I so choose...
post #7 of 26
Zorro, you have leapt right past the best offerings by insisting that the .mp3 player rely on SmartMedia cards.

The best ones use resident flash memory with optional high-volume backpack storage. Flash memory = no moving parts, no skips, etc.

I use a Rio 800 128Mb. It's small, has great sound, is easy to operate, is easy to load/unload files, and overall is a good bargain. Rio also makes the Nike PSA players.

The Rio players are available with various resident memory sizes. I think there's a Rio 800 Extreme now, with huge memory equal to 2x or 3x what mine has.

Using Windows Media files (.wma) I can put 4 hours of music into 128 Mb of storage space.

That's plenty for me.

Jargon-free in 2003!

ps- no comment on the Flatus Maximus award
post #8 of 26
Jargon-free in 2003! Yada yada yada, and etc. Those posts are HELPFUL?! MY post was at least REALISTIC, you know, with all that hot air that fox and gonz can generate, never mind the direction from which.

Jargon-free in 2003! Gimme a break, gonzo. Take jargon away, and there's one less thing for your, uh, analysis. Flatus Maximus! No comment! C'mon!

Fox, playing music while on a ski day - slope or lift - is like playing music during sex. If you can hear the music, you're doing it wrong.

Happy New Year! I've been enjoying it quite a bit myself!

ttfn and amf

[ December 31, 2002, 05:17 PM: Message edited by: oboe ]
post #9 of 26
Fox, something to look for. I saw a beanie at Burlington Coat Factory with integrated headphones. Only $6.99!
post #10 of 26
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by gonzostrike:
Zorro, you have leapt right past the best offerings by insisting that the .mp3 player rely on SmartMedia cards.

The best ones use resident flash memory with optional high-volume backpack storage. Flash memory = no moving parts, no skips, etc.
Hey gonzo, did you READ my post?
Not SmartMedia - Compact Flash. Different type of card.
I also listed reasons for wanting to use flash memory including the lack of moving parts and the reduction in power drain, also for financial purposes using the same memory as my camera means that at the start of the week I could have music on all my cards, and gradually as I want to take more photos, I just wipe the music off and put the card in my camera.

Thanks for the help anyway.

Zac,
Interesting idea, but I'll need to get earphones that fit under my helmet.

S
post #11 of 26
[ Has skiing gotten so effortless and easy in recent years that our brain can handle other things? It's almost enough to make me cry.[/QB][/quote]

"As far as I'm concerned, MM, 'it has' I love skiing to music. And if you don't like it that's tough! [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/evilgrin.gif[/img] I'm off to Ischgl now. Happy New Year Epic Skiers! [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]
post #12 of 26
There's no question / debate about this possible.. the Apple iPOD would have to be your choice!!! It's known to be the best MP3 player around, both available for your Apple and PC Windows!!!

I've got the 10 GB version.. holds well over 100 CDs.. and stores a cd in about 10-12 seconds (really).. and it never skips!!.. http://www.apple.com/ipod for more info

feel free to ask if you have any questions,
sinterklaasje

PS I know you want to have one with memory cards but please... 64 mbs of memory will only contain songs for about 50 minutes!!

[ January 01, 2003, 05:19 AM: Message edited by: sinterklaasje ]
post #13 of 26
Thread Starter 
Sinter,
How long do the batteries last at skiing temperatures?
As for memory, yeah 10GB would be good, but I use 128MB & 256MB cards in my camera, and I don't plan to spend all day listening to music, just when I'm stuck on the lift with oboe & gonzo!

S
post #14 of 26
fox, I know you really want to be a fair person, and here, you're just not thinking about being fair. You need to consider the possibilities. Sure, I know this is unlikely, but let's consider what happens if, when all the points are tallied, you come in third. The final flat-off would then be a gonzo vs. oboe contest, and you'd need to be the final arbiter of that. Now, be fair - with earplugs in and music playing, you'd never be able to hear, must less judge, the components in the higher frequencies. While you'd readily detect the judgeable aspects of gonzo's full volume, you'd completely miss the richness of tone, covering a greater range of the scale, of gonzo's opponent. Wanting to be fair, as I know you do, then at least at than point, you'd need to pull the plugs (from your ears) for the remainder of the contest. By spending money now on high tech sound equipment, you'd be taking the risk of not even being able to use it for an appreciable period.

Alternatively, we could duct tape gonzo's mouth shut [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] , thus obviating the need for a sound system on which you'd have spent big bucks merely to mask verbal flatulence.
post #15 of 26
Fox

Buy a kickass mp3 player.
Buy blinders, like they put on race horses.
Buy Vicks, to smear under your nose like a mortician, to mask the smell.
Or just ride up with anyone else.
post #16 of 26
Thread Starter 
Wouldn't a Beretta 92 FS Inox be a better and longer lasting solution Bonni?



S
post #17 of 26
Geez, fox! You going hard core on us?!

Tell ya what, I'm waiting for the next chair . . . you and gonz can duke it out on your own. Hint: Wear Kevlar.
post #18 of 26
Fox.. the battery normally runs 10 hours... don't know how long they run at skiing temps - haven't tried that YET!

sinterklaasje

[ January 01, 2003, 10:07 AM: Message edited by: sinterklaasje ]
post #19 of 26
Kevlar, heh heh. [img]graemlins/evilgrin.gif[/img]
post #20 of 26
Thread Starter 
Sinter,
That's part of the problem. When the temperature drops, so does the performance. A spare battery I have for my camera will last for several days worth of normal temperature photographs, but use it when skiing, and I'm lucky to get an hours worth. (The manufacturer's own battery does better, but still not great)

S

P.S. Instead of Kevlar, maybe if I borrowed some of ryan's old spandex gear it would protect me against most things (or at least scare them away)
post #21 of 26
Quote:
Originally posted by MittersillManiac:
The only people at ski areas that really bother me are the one's with the music on the lift. Skiing is something extremely special. Why ruin the serene beauty of the mountains by withdrawing into yourself with your tunes. I like music as much as the next guy. I am in fact a rather accomplished guitarist, but listening on the headphones on the lift? Isn't that seriously bordering on sad? If you can't survive without music for a day on the slopes there must be some underlying problem. As Winston Churchill put it: "If there is one thing that characterizes this great 20th century better than any other, it is the fanatical addiction to recorded music that has pervaded every corner of society." That is not to say that music isn't a wonderful thing. As I say, I'm a musician, but do we really need it on the slopes? Has skiing gotten so effortless and easy in recent years that our brain can handle other things? It's almost enough to make me cry.
Because some of use spend alot more than "a day on the slopes"... And listening to Nature gets old after about 2-3 hours...
post #22 of 26
Quote:
Originally posted by MittersillManiac:
I am in fact a rather accomplished guitarist..
...as well as, according to prior self-reports, an incredible skier. A true renaissance man. [img]graemlins/evilgrin.gif[/img]
post #23 of 26
Quote:
Originally posted by Lodro:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MittersillManiac:
I am in fact a rather accomplished guitarist..
...as well as, according to prior self-reports, an incredible skier. A true renaissance man. [img]graemlins/evilgrin.gif[/img] </font>[/quote]As character traits go, I most admire the Maniac's modesty :
post #24 of 26
...so, back to the orignal question. I'd recommend at least taking a look at minidiscs. Its yestertech, but my wife got me a nice little sony unit a year and a half ago that's been great for skiing. You can put about the same amount of music on one as you can a 128MB card (just a bit less), but the discs are only a couple of bucks a piece, so you can carry a bunch with you. Downside is that you have to burn at 1x. (I think there are faster buring units now.) Better still would be an iPod, but still pretty expensive, and I'm not sure about shock and moisture resistance.
post #25 of 26
Fox, I bought as a Christmas present for my wife a little
MP3 player/recorder ( http://www.cobraspa.it/prodottinew/mp3/centaurotu.htm )
It's from ARTEC (www.artec.co.kr, for the specifications see:
http://www.artec.co.kr/eng/support/s_down.htm)
It comes in different memory sizes (64MB to 192MB, I bough the 128MB model)but it's not officially upgradeable (that is, the memory size is fixed)
As for how much music it can contain, I've filled it with 26 songs compressed at 112 Kbps and 128 Kbps.
It's light (few grams), has no rotating parts, and the batteries are claimed to last up to 10 hours (I think we reached 6 hrs continous play)
Althought I (it's not mine after all) would not use it while skiing, wifey loves it.

[ January 07, 2003, 11:30 PM: Message edited by: Matteo ]
post #26 of 26
I'd second (or third) the iPod idea. I have the 10GB version and I have all my CDs in them with about half the memory to spare. I haven't taken it to the slopes yet, but I have taken it out in the cold when I cleared my driveway after a snowstorm. I have a rather long driveway and was out there for a couple of hours with still a lot of battery life to spare. I wouldn't expect to get the usual 10 hours when it is cold, but it should do pretty well. I put it in an inside pocket, so I expect my body heat help keeps it warm and my coat protects it from the colder outside temps. They also come with those earphone buds you stick in your ears, so it fits well under a helmet.

Hope this helps...
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