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NASTAR set in slush - what size waist?

post #1 of 17
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?

Assumptions:
Warm enough to rut the course in 4 runs or less.
FIS dimensions are just not relevant.
post #2 of 17
I used to have a pair of Volkl Vertigo G4's that worked pretty damn well in conditions like that.

Nowadays I would say something along the lines of a Blizzard Magnum 8.7???

(Volkl AC40 or 50, Elan 888, etc...)
post #3 of 17
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Would you stay with ~17m published radius or go longer?
post #4 of 17
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Would you stay with ~17m published radius or go longer?
Most Nastar courses aren't particularly turny. I personally use 25m GS skis when I paceset.

I would think closer to 19 to 21 would be ideal for most people. It really depends on your skill level.
post #5 of 17
25!!!

I thought my Head GS skis, 21m, were too wide, at least that is was everyone keeps telling me!
post #6 of 17
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25!!!

I thought my Head GS skis, 21m, were too wide, at least that is was everyone keeps telling me!
Are you asking about radius or waist width? I do use different radius and lengths depending on the course and set, but personally don't vary either for variations in snow conditions.

"Too xxxxx" is highly dependent on what you are able to carve cleanly.
post #7 of 17
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Are you asking about radius or waist width? I do use different radius and lengths depending on the course and set, but personally don't vary either for variations in snow conditions.

"Too xxxxx" is highly dependent on what you are able to carve cleanly.
I think Richie means radius....

I actually use the same skis regardless of set, slope or conditions (mainly because I only have one pair of GS skis) In Michigan, all courses are similar enough that my skis work well no matter what. If I entered a Masters race out west, I'd probably try to get my hands on a pair of 192's, but if I didn't, it wouldn't be the worst thing.

To answer the original post, even with the conditions, I personally would still use my race skis.... are you asking which would you use if you had both? Or which would be ideal? I would say race skis are always appropriate in a race course, regardless of conditions.

NE1 - you nailed it on the radius comment... the fastest ski through the course is the largest radius that you can carve cleanly.
post #8 of 17
I'd stay with the race skis too. Even in slush, it usually doesn't take long to get down to ice.
post #9 of 17
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Are you asking about radius or waist width? I do use different radius and lengths depending on the course and set, but personally don't vary either for variations in snow conditions.

"Too xxxxx" is highly dependent on what you are able to carve cleanly.
Yes, I was referring to radius...guess width was a poor choice of words (my mind was picturing the width/diameter of a circle).

I bought the SS Speeds specifically to adress my need for something of a GS cheater ski to lie smack in between my RD SL and RD GS.
post #10 of 17
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Even in slush, it usually doesn't take long to get down to mud.
Fixed for conditions south of New England.
post #11 of 17
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Originally Posted by epic
Even in slush, it usually doesn't take long to get down to mud.

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Fixed for conditions south of New England.
Word!
post #12 of 17
How many runs do you need to hit dirt then? What waist width for that?

FWIW - I was picturing Sugar Slalom conditions. 60 degrees, mid-April. Knee high ruts with water running in them. It's still icy under there.
post #13 of 17
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sugar slalom.

Ankle deep ruts first week of March, dirt and rocks scattering from them in a fan unless they sideslip & shovel every 6 runs.
post #14 of 17
Sounds like you need wheels.
post #15 of 17
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I'd stay with the race skis too. Even in slush, it usually doesn't take long to get down to ice.
You have never raced in Western Washington or Oregon have you??

Best race ski for rutsfor me is a Race Carver with about 70 waist. Keeps you from booting out so easily and lets you change your turn shape to stay out of "rookie" ruts. Also called old lady ruts if you race masters.

Some other like a longer straighter ski for riding the ruts, but there is the danger of punching through the rut doing that.

Midwesterns don't know anything about ruts.
All manmade snow except for Mt. Ripley.
post #16 of 17
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Midwesterns don't know anything about ruts.
All manmade snow except for Mt. Ripley.
Yet, all these folks from the midwest, especially little old Buck Hill with man made snow are n the 09 US team
According to USSA.org

The 2009 U.S. Alpine Ski Team (with date of birth, hometown and club program)

A TEAM
Men
Jimmy Cochran (5/29/81; Keene, NH; Cochran's/Mount Mansfield Ski & Snowboard Club)
Ted Ligety (8/31/84; Park City, UT; Park City Ski Team)
Scott Macartney (1/19/78; Crystal Mountain, WA; Crystal Mountain Alpine Club)
Steven Nyman (2/12/82; Provo, UT; Park City Ski Team/Sundance)
Marco Sullivan (4/27/80; Squaw Valley, CA; Squaw Valley Ski Team)

Women
Stacey Cook (7/3/84; Mammoth, CA; Mammoth Mountain Ski Team)
Julia Mancuso (9/9/84; Olympic Valley, CA; Squaw Valley Ski Team)
Kaylin Richardson (9/28/84; Edina, MN; Team Gilboa)
Resi Stiegler (11/14/85; Jackson Hole, WY; Park City Ski Team/Jackson Hole)
Lindsey Vonn (10/18/84; Vail, CO; Ski & Snowboard Club Vail/Buck Hill Ski Team)

B TEAM
Men
Erik Fisher (3/21/85; Middleton, ID; Bogus Basin)
Tommy Ford (3/20/89; Bend, OR; Mount Bachelor Ski Education Foundation)
Kevin Francis (6/13/82; Bend, OR; Mount Bachelor Ski Education Foundation)
Tim Jitloff (1/11/85; Reno, NV; Park City Ski Team)
Tim Kelley (5/20/86; Starksboro, VT; Cochran's/Mount Mansfield Ski & Snowboard Club)
TJ Lanning (8/27/84; Park City, UT; Park City Ski Team)
Cody Marshall (11/15/82; Pittsfield, VT; Burke Mountain Academy)
Erik Schlopy (8/21/72; Park City, UT; Park City Ski Team)
Jeremy Transue (6/1/83; Hunter, NY; Green Mountain Valley School)
Andrew Weibrecht (2/10/86; Lake Placid, NY; New York Ski Education Foundation)

Women
Hailey Duke (9/17/85; Boise, ID; Park City Ski Education Foundation/McCall Ski Team)
Jessica Kelley (10/5/82; Starksboro, VT; Cochran's/Mount Mansfield Ski & Snowboard Club)
Chelsea Marshall (8/14/86; Pittsfield, VT; Green Mountain Valley School)
Megan McJames (9/24/87; Park City, UT; Park City Ski Education Foundation)
Sarah Schleper (2/19/79; Vail, CO; Ski & Snowboard Club Vail)
Leanne Smith (5/28/87; Conway, NH; Mt. Washington Valley Ski Team)

C TEAM
Men
Chris Beckmann (10/9/86; Guilderland, NY; New York Ski Education Foundation)
Will Brandenburg (1/1/87; Spokane, WA; Schweitzer Alpine Racing)
Travis Ganong (7/14/88; Squaw Valley, CA; Squaw Valley Ski Team)
Tague Thorson (1/9/85; Park City, UT; Romark Ski Academy)
Women
Sterling Grant (6/1/87; Amery, WI; Buck Hill Ski Team)
Keely Kelleher (8/12/84; Big Sky, MT; Rowmark Ski Academy)
Julia Littman (7/21/84; Vail, CO; Ski & Snowboard Club Vail)
Laurenne Ross (8/17/88; Klamath Falls, OR; Mount Bachelor Ski Education Foundation)
Kiley Staples (2/2/89; Park City, UT; Rowmark Ski Academy)

U.S. Alpine Development Team
Men
Michael Ankeny (1/17/91; Deephaven, MN; Buck Hill Ski Team)
Nick Daniels (4/5/91; Tahoe City, CA; Squaw Valley Ski Team)
Colby Granstrom (9/21/90; Lake Stevens, WA; Mission Ridge Ski Education Foundation)
Will Gregorak (9/30/90; Longmont, CO; Ski and Snowboard Club Vail)
Nolan Kasper (3/27/89; Warren, VT; Burke Mountain Academy)
Wiley Maple (5/25/90; Aspen, CO; Aspen Valley Ski Club)

Women
Felicia Byers (12/17/91; Sandy, UT; Snowbird Sports Education Foundation)
Julia Ford (3/30/90; Plymouth, NH; Holderness Ski Team)
Kayla Fry (5/1/90; Reno, NV; Team Savage Ski Racing)
Alice McKennis (8/19/89; Glenwood Springs, CO; Rowmark Ski Academy)
Jennie VanWagner (6/22/89; Traverse City, MI; Rowmark Ski Academy)
post #17 of 17

thanks for the back up

crgildart
I raced and trained at Buck Hill and can remember no ruts of any significance.
Mt Ripley we had big ruts at times. Mt LaCrosse had some big ruts at one race.
But those simply don't compare to the deep soft snowpack conditions and ruts in Western WA and Oregon.

So I totally agree with your point that man made snow with very few ruts is a better surface for ski racing training.
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