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post #31 of 52
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Originally Posted by Captain_Strato View Post
Kneissl?

Now, THAT's dragging up bones (mind the carpet).

Kneissl White Star Supers represented the pinnical of "Must Have" ski technology in 1968, at: $250 a pop, without binding. Those were big bucks.

If they can revive that dusty hallowed name, it's worthy of a salute.


Quick trip back....
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post #32 of 52
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Originally Posted by U.P. Racer View Post
They must make the bindings for Tyrolia too.....
I laughed...

Ironically, I loved the Head race skis I've ridden... but I would never buy a pair of Tyrolia for any ski. If I were to buy a pair of Heads, they would NOT have those bindings.
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On topic, and with no disprespect...

Epic is one of the last tools for which I turn when considering "ski brands."

I choose ski brands based on the shapes they provide and the construction they use within those shapes... then I look at where they were made and try to keep it local. I really have a developing appreciation for people who single-handedly decide to start a ski company in their garage. I appreciate design that comes from people chasing their dreams... and not just trying to hang on to a job.

I was on-board for a new pair of BlueHouse Mavens (which have a sick pre-season sale next week)... until I learned they were made in China. I literally decided my next pow ski would be a praxis in less than 2 seconds when I learned that BH was NOT a home-made brand as I had assumed. (so much for thinking that all developing boutique brands are home-made.)

I'm a DIYer. I built my truck, grew up building the house in which my father raised me, built boats in my yard for my dad to sell, and paid for my own education... a degree onto which I am the first to put my family's name. I could build a pair of skis, but am just as content to buy a ski made by a man who dedicates his time to developing that dream.

Kingswood
Praxis
Pm Gear (kind of... I'm just trying to convince myself that the dream is actually building skis not affording hookers and blow as goes the marketing.)

All of the above on the top of my list due to their shapes and origins. I'm a powder skier, it doesn't really matter how "precise" or "race-bred" my skis are. (although I do appreciate precision on cord.) And ironically... I reside in Japan.
post #33 of 52
Samurai,

Check out the new Igneous website.

Those are some beautiful skis.....
post #34 of 52
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Rossi Smash View Post
Quick trip back....
I wudda traded almost anything for pair of those back then.

They were skis you dreamed of, while you purchased $65 Rossi's.
post #35 of 52
I'm happy to see alot of the smaller companies doing great things. I like to think I'm supporting a mom & pop operation vs. an international conglomerate. I'm also a DIY dude and I appreciate that a guy worked on my sintered bases and extra thick edges with his own two hands and no machine assembled my stuff. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy, or maybe that's the Jameson... And to think that PM Gear and Praxis charge less for their boards than Volkl, who's probably spending half the money to get their stuff put together. It just lets me know where my money is going- towards materials, and care of assembly- the soul of the ski, if you will. Not just the glossy ads, international marketing campaigns and sponsorships. To me, that means more than having the most hyped ski of the season- I'd rather have nobody know what the boards I'm on are, personally.
post #36 of 52
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post
Start Saluting. They're coming back!
This guy sure rips on those Kneissels!
http://forums.epicski.com/showpost.p...27&postcount=5
post #37 of 52
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Originally Posted by Captain_Strato View Post
I wudda traded almost anything for pair of those back then.

They were skis you dreamed of, while you purchased $65 Rossi's.

For a little perspective...those $250 White Stars @ todays inflated dollars would cost you about $1500

While those $65 Rossignol's would be $375
post #38 of 52
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Originally Posted by Captain_Strato View Post
I wudda traded almost anything for pair of those back then.

They were skis you dreamed of, while you purchased $65 Rossi's.



A man could do far worse than a pair of Strato's in the late 60's
post #39 of 52
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Originally Posted by simonbda View Post
This guy sure rips on those Kneissels!
http://forums.epicski.com/showpost.p...27&postcount=5
You could say he's 'Head Over Heels' for them.
post #40 of 52
Smash:

I have a pair of 2003 Blackstars that I love !!

I'd like to get something wider, but where in Canada / US does one go for new ones ? Strolz out of NH was the only North American Rep in these parts, however doesn't seem to be listed anymor on Kneissl Site.

RMP
post #41 of 52
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Originally Posted by simonbda View Post
This guy sure rips on those Kneissels!
http://forums.epicski.com/showpost.p...27&postcount=5
Those last labels in the video are priceless!
post #42 of 52
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by simonbda View Post
This guy sure rips on those Kneissels!
http://forums.epicski.com/showpost.p...27&postcount=5
Funny.

The captions make it!
post #43 of 52
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Originally Posted by simonbda View Post
This guy sure rips on those Kneissels!
http://forums.epicski.com/showpost.p...27&postcount=5
My heart was racing when he was up top....looked way scarier looking down then when he actually went for it. He crashed after the hard part was done! Lucky for him I guess.
post #44 of 52
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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
My heart was racing when he was up top....looked way scarier looking down then when he actually went for it. He crashed after the hard part was done! Lucky for him I guess.
For me, the scariest part is the fact that he straightlines the chute. I think I might be able to make it out of there alive after 20 turns, but straightlining is something that it's still light years aways in my skiing ability.
post #45 of 52
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Originally Posted by samurai View Post
Pm Gear (kind of... I'm just trying to convince myself that the dream is actually building skis not affording hookers and blow as goes the marketing.)
huh? I think you're taking an old joke from the TGR forums (that unfortunately still gets tossed around) a little too literally.
post #46 of 52
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Originally Posted by U.P. Racer View Post
Samurai,

Check out the new Igneous website.

Those are some beautiful skis.....
Iggies are nice skis... they too are in my top five.

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces View Post
huh? I think you're taking an old joke from the TGR forums (that unfortunately still gets tossed around) a little too literally.
I wasn't being so literal myself.

I almost hopped on the poachninja Lhasa Pow, but in all truth, it's not my dream tree ski. If I still lived in the sierras, however, I'd be all over that thing... actually I wouldn't because I would have bought it last year.
post #47 of 52
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Originally Posted by Captain_Strato View Post
Kneissl?

Now, THAT's dragging up bones (mind the carpet).

Kneissl White Star Supers represented the pinnical of "Must Have" ski technology in 1968, at: $250 a pop, without binding. Those were big bucks.

If they can revive that dusty hallowed name, it's worthy of a salute.
I think I have a pair or two cut in half in my front yard.
post #48 of 52
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Originally Posted by karpiel View Post
I think I have a pair or two cut in half in my front yard.
How the mighty have fallen.

Before they stopped distribution in the US, Kneissel was getting miserable reviews ("maneuverability of a supertanker"). Makes you wonder what happened to renowned Austrian engineering.

But, Kastle was resurrected this year, with some apparently excellent skis. Blizzard also stank for awhile (barges). Now they're all the rage.

Perhaps Kneissel can also return from the morgue. It's a great old name.
post #49 of 52
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
In terms of buzz, not necessarily sales:

Most serious upswing: Blizzard (hot/hotter/hottest), Kastle (from the long dead to hot), niche indies like PM, Praxis, and Movement.

Mild upswing: Rossignol (from out of the grave, still brushing off dirt), Line (finally getting media recognition), Salomon (from the living dead), Hart (see Kastle, but need to get past history of imitative mediocrity)

No change: Dynastar (never really changes its position, technology or audience), Atomic (out of date fats and old-school carvers propped up by Nomads), Nordica (resting on laurels and/or just out of RD money), Volkl (AC's and Tigers prop up predictable fats and out of date racers)

Mild downswing: Elan (few accept the heavier, stiffer direction), Head (had to happen cuz they've been up so long), K2 (how long can they keep selling the same Recon models with the same tech AND the same graphics?)
Pretty damn concise and comprehensive except for, say, Fischer (how'd you miss that one) and perhaps Stockli (a perennial ski mag darling that nobody that I know, or even they know, skis). How do these fit into your analysis herr Docktor Beyond?
post #50 of 52
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Originally Posted by U.P. Racer View Post
Samurai,

Check out the new Igneous website.

Those are some beautiful skis.....
What's a pair of Iggies cost?
They look sweet.
post #51 of 52
[quote=CanuckInstructor;952186]I have my own brand preferences, but they're mine, and I don't think they do many others much good :P

I will share my insight into the trends around the Ontario private clubs, which seem to unique from many other places (in large part due to the racing culture). Atomic was absolutely dominant in the first half of the decade, but has been waning in the past 2-3 seasons. They still have a good chunk of the market, but there was a while where every kid and every racer parent/wannabe masters racer had to have a pair of new SL&GS11s.
Rossis have got a fair number of the race types lately (a good thing IMO, their race stuff is quality, and some people don't need an I-beam for a GS ski). Dynastars shot up this past season, and there are a handful of kids on Nordica and Head. I expect Head to get a little bump this season, the race rep has been pushing them hard lately (demo days of all the '09 race stuff at the private clubs this past spring).

Volkl has had a pretty significant dropoff from 3 or 4 years ago, both race and recreational.

On the recreational skiers, a bit more of a mix, but Head, Nordica and Rossi seem to make up the biggest chunks.[/quotE

I was talking to the guys at a local ski shop about how Atomic seems to be loosing ground to other brands in terms of racer popularity. It had nothing to do with the quality of the skis but rather I was told that it had to do with the local ski reps. The shops wanted to make sure that the local rep would stand behind the product and support the brand.
post #52 of 52
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Originally Posted by ski-ra View Post
Pretty damn concise and comprehensive except for, say, Fischer (how'd you miss that one) and perhaps Stockli (a perennial ski mag darling that nobody that I know, or even they know, skis). How do these fit into your analysis herr Docktor Beyond?
Herr Docktor had a lapse in his few remaining neurons; would say that Fischers are in mild upswing, thanks to the Progressors and fatter Wateas, but they never seem to really break through in the mass market, even though every third high school racer is on a pair.

Stockli. Hmm. Mild decline. Don't sense the coolness/serious skier badge about them I did a few years ago. And as you say, even then everyone talked about skiing them, no one actually did. (Well, I still have a pair of 06 XL's for days I really want to do a reality check on my skill set, but they're feeling very superior old school, like Legend 8K's, rather than exciting.)

Now Herr Docktor needs a brew...
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