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post #31 of 50
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Originally Posted by Mr. Crab View Post
I'm not so sure that Richie's all that rich, just single. Utah is still affordable in the right zip codes. I think Richie's got an Altaholic inside just screaming to come out...

I wish I could field dress a moose...
Im not...that is correct. I am comfortable and I like my toys that is all. But single is stretching it, no paper documentation but I might as well be married....I do not have kids, however, that makes a big difference. People have always called me Richie-Rich because I like fine things and live a lifestyle and dress in a way that many assign to the "rich" but judging by the expenditures shared by many here there are plenty with as much and more money than me.

BTW I am dying to go to Alta, discussed that with my pop-inlaw to be last week as a matter of fact.
post #32 of 50
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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
You sir are out of line.

Places that do not get the big bucks survive (barely) by the skin of their teeth and are in constant jeopardy of closing. Its hard enough for the places that generate big dollars to stay open, the small places barely make it....I read about it every season.

The money I spend is a drop in the bucket compared to many much deeper pocketed people than myself. Spending lots of money does not make me special, nor does it make me foolish, it is what it is, no need to read more into it.
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Originally Posted by Richie Rich
...its people who ski 10 days a year and spend $15k to do so that allow you and every other "real" skier to ski at lift operated resorts.

Dont get me wrong I hate the fact it costs me what it does to ski...yeah I am that guy..
If you can't take the feedback, quit posting about how much money you spend, and how you allow us to ski, it's tacky, and BS.

You have an inflated sense of self importance. Where I ski you would be hard pressed to spend that much money at the ski area in ten days, even if you were buying dinner and drinks for the house every night.
post #33 of 50
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Originally Posted by volantaddict View Post
If you can't take the feedback, quit posting about how much money you spend, and how you allow us to ski, it's tacky, and BS.

You have an inflated sense of self importance. Where I ski you would be hard pressed to spend that much money at the ski area in ten days, even if you were buying dinner and drinks for the house every night.
This whole thread is about money, my comments are appropriate, as well as my real life experience in the matter. Much more inappropriate is your unwarranted attack on my lifestyle and contribution to this thread which is in line with the discussion. For whatever reason you have something against spenders (my guess is that your parents are probably loaded beyond belief and you didn’t like their lifestyle/greed and so you rebel and hate anyone that has any resemblance to their ways). But let me remind you that spenders are what made this country great and it is the American Capitalist way. No money no USA. But you are correct in that I do have high regards for myself....I think everyone should, I pity those that do not.
post #34 of 50
Well I for one admire RR for his self-control, that's class. However, I am more like VA a minimalist and discard elitest values. Bottom line. Skiing is about you not what you have. Now back to your regular routine.
post #35 of 50
I really believe that a lot of people romanticize living in a ski town but when it comes down to it they would probably hate it. We have a lot of people coming into Park City who only last about 2-3 years. The winters can beat the crap out of you. Sure the snow looks nice all piled up when the roads are plowed and the paths have been shoveled, but when you live here you have to be the one to shovel your walk and clear your driveway.

When you have a winter like the last one where it seemed like I was clearing my driveway nearly every morning, I can see how that would cause someone who is not used to that to reconsider.

Plus the winters are cold and long

I personally love it but I know a lot of people who have left the area.
post #36 of 50
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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
This whole thread is about money, my comments are appropriate, as well as my real life experience in the matter. Much more inappropriate is your unwarranted attack on my lifestyle and contribution to this thread which is in line with the discussion.
Read the thread title, and original post again. You stuck your head in the hornets nest and tried to chastise someone, and it came back on you.

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Originally Posted by Richie Rich
For whatever reason you have something against spenders
No. I have something against people boasting of the amount of money they spend as you often do. Before you changed your screen name to the understated Richie Rich you went by XJGuy and made damn sure everyone knew about your Jaguar. More recently you talked all about your Hummer. If you don't revel in the attention, you have a strange way of showing it. In thread after thread, you start you talk about what you spend and what you buy. That is the subject of this thread, how people with your attitude ruin ski towns, so suck it.

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Originally Posted by Richie Rich
(my guess is that your parents are probably loaded beyond belief and you didn’t like their lifestyle/greed and so you rebel and hate anyone that has any resemblance to their ways).
Yeah, right, my dad's lucrative occupation in forestry research for the US Forest Service raked in BRAZILLIANS of dollars, as did mom's part time job as a student aid officer.

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Originally Posted by Richie Rich
But let me remind you that spenders are what made this country great and it is the American Capitalist way. No money no USA. But you are correct in that I do have high regards for myself....I think everyone should , I pity those that do not.


So you pity those who do not have a high regard for you?

OK, I know you meant that it's healthy to have a positive estimation of yourself, but you set that up so perfectly that I couldn't resist.

Personally I think it was the values that went into the foundation of this nation that made it great, things like all being created equal, endowed with inalienable rights, and providing for the general welfare of the populace. If all you can see is the importance of money and spending, and identify that as the sole source of our nations greatness, then you are pitifully deluded.

You spout so proud about how people like you make it possible for others to ski because you spend so much, well as the proverb says "Only by pride cometh contention". You've earned it.

I'm on subject, and you can't take being the subject of RICHLY deserved attention to your deeds. Cry me a river.
post #37 of 50
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Originally Posted by volantaddict View Post
Read the thread title, and original post again. You stuck your head in the hornets nest and tried to chastise someone, and it came back on you. Actually the opening sentence of the original poster has money mentioned first and foremost.



No. I have something against people boasting of the amount of money they spend as you often do. Before you changed your screen name to the understated Richie Rich you went by XJGuy and made damn sure everyone knew about your Jaguar. More recently you talked all about your Hummer. If you don't revel in the attention, you have a strange way of showing it. In thread after thread, you start you talk about what you spend and what you buy. That is the subject of this thread, how people with your attitude ruin ski towns, so suck it.

LOL...you my friend are sadly mistaken...I have never owned a Jaguar, nor have ever mentioned owning one. An XJ is what many would consider a poor-man's car....a Jeep XJ as in Jeep Cherokee. Yeah I do like attention, so shoot me. I only talk about what I spend and what I buy when in context of the subject at hand. I suppose if one were to look at your quiver thread and pics of the really indulgent quantity of skis that you posses one can say the same about you.....not to mention your mug shot in your signature.



Yeah, right, my dad's lucrative occupation in forestry research for the US Forest Service raked in BRAZILLIANS of dollars, as did mom's part time job as a student aid officer.

Hey it was just my poor attempt at making sense of your disdain....gotta admit it sounded good.


So you pity those who do not have a high regard for you?

OK, I know you meant that it's healthy to have a positive estimation of yourself, but you set that up so perfectly that I couldn't resist.

I would have been shocked if at least one person didn't jump on that one.

Personally I think it was the values that went into the foundation of this nation that made it great, things like all being created equal, endowed with inalienable rights, and providing for the general welfare of the populace. If all you can see is the importance of money and spending, and identify that as the sole source of our nations greatness, then you are pitifully deluded.

First off we are not created equal....that's BS PC crap.
We have whatever rights the gov't feels like giving us at any point in time and those rights can and will be thrown right out the window if you do not play by the rules.
Actually if you do not see the importance of money and spending, and identify that as the sole source of our nation's greatness, then you must subscribe to the notion that we are great only because we have the biggest guns...and again that's only because we have the most money.

You spout so proud about how people like you make it possible for others to ski because you spend so much, well as the proverb says "Only by pride cometh contention". You've earned it.

No comment.

I'm on subject, and you can't take being the subject of RICHLY deserved attention to your deeds. Cry me a river.

My deeds help the money circulate, and circulation is what allows a country to live.

post #38 of 50
If money and greed make this country great, it also keeps skiing out of reach for the working class. Why can't we have club fields like in New Zealand?
post #39 of 50
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Originally Posted by Richie Rich

LOL...you my friend are sadly mistaken...I have never owned a Jaguar, nor have ever mentioned owning one. An XJ is what many would consider a poor-man's car....a Jeep XJ as in Jeep Cherokee.
I apologize for my mistake on this point. Given what you guessed about my folks, I guess we're even in the false assumption department.

I've had my say, and don't feel the need to pursue it further for now, other than to say that the gear I buy is old, and my intent is showing my addiction to obsolete gear in a somewhat self deprecating way. I am a bit of a narcissist when it comes to seeing myself on screen, I look like a cartoon, and enjoy how people find humor in my presentation. I don't feel proud about it, but I accept it as a flaw.

I believe the problem the OP has with wealth is that people who have it, have effectively driven up the price of some areas beyond what many can afford. People skied Jackson long before it was a destination, and they still would be if it hadn't become one, getting by is enough for many ski area owners.
post #40 of 50
[QUOTE]Actually if you do not see the importance of money and spending, and identify that as the sole source of our nation's greatness, then you must subscribe to the notion that we are great only because we have the biggest guns...and again that's only because we have the most money.[/quote]
There's a difference between having money and flaunting it.

This country is great for its wealth. Flaunting it at the world at large is what makes the world hate us.

And flaunting wealth is how RR gets attention on this board. The fact those attention aren't flattering shouldn't be a surprise either.
post #41 of 50
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Originally Posted by at_nyc View Post
[QUOTE]Actually if you do not see the importance of money and spending, and identify that as the sole source of our nation's greatness, then you must subscribe to the notion that we are great only because we have the biggest guns...and again that's only because we have the most money.
There's a difference between having money and flaunting it.

This country is great for its wealth. Flaunting it at the world at large is what makes the world hate us.

And flaunting wealth is how RR gets attention on this board. The fact those attention aren't flattering shouldn't be a surprise either.
Flaunting wealth???? When and where?

Have I mentioned a private jet? A ski home in Aspen? A Ferrari next to my Bentley? No. I am a regular NY guy who lives on Long Island and has the tools he needs to get the job of skiing done. That is all.

You need to check yourself bub. AND might I add by your statement flaunting it would make me MORE of an American.

Richie-Rich the poor little rich boy.
post #42 of 50
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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
This whole thread is about money, my comments are appropriate, as well as my real life experience in the matter. Much more inappropriate is your unwarranted attack on my lifestyle and contribution to this thread which is in line with the discussion. For whatever reason you have something against spenders (my guess is that your parents are probably loaded beyond belief and you didn’t like their lifestyle/greed and so you rebel and hate anyone that has any resemblance to their ways).

Epic's old money.

I have heard of hand waving and <ahem> appendage waving. But wallet waving must a cultural idiosyncrasy unique to long island.
post #43 of 50
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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
Flaunting wealth???? When and where?
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...its people who ski 10 days a year and spend $15k to do so that allow you and every other "real" skier to ski at lift operated resorts.
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Have I mentioned a private jet? A ski home in Aspen? A Ferrari next to my Bentley? No. I am a regular NY guy who lives on Long Island and has the tools he needs to get the job of skiing done.
Perhaps, if you hadn't blown too many 15ks to ski 10 days repeatedly, you might actually be able to have a ski home at Aspen. ;-)
post #44 of 50
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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
But let me remind you that spenders are what made this country great
Rich, there is so much wrong and ignorant about that statement that it would take a shelf full of history books to correct it.

Regarding the rest of this thread, Rich, you get attacked pretty frequently on here. Sometimes it's good natured, sometimes not so. Do you ever stop to think about why?

So much of your personality, attitude, and philosophy on skiing and what it means in your life is solidly at odds with what I would call the average poster here. I'm not saying you have to change to fit in. Everyone should be themselves. But if you really love skiing as much as you profess, try to understand the soul of skiing. You can't buy it, you can't get it by having a fourth or fifth pair of skis, you can't get it by going to war with the mountain.
post #45 of 50
he's from the Island, they are all like that.
post #46 of 50
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Originally Posted by Richie Rich
, then you must subscribe to the notion that we are great only because we have the biggest guns.


The fact that you came to this conclusion shows how incomprehensibly ignorant you are of who I am, and what I stand for, are you from the Bizzaro world?

post #47 of 50
Don't know you from Adam.
post #48 of 50
So, how 'bout them Rays?
post #49 of 50
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Originally Posted by SnowbirdDevotee View Post
he's from the Island, they are all like that.
Backoff, country bumpkin!

post #50 of 50
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