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Intuitions without insoles?

post #1 of 6
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I've read that some mold their Intuition liners, and ski them, without using an insole such as Superfeet, which I currently have in the stock Thermoflex liners in my Raichle F-ONE REVs.

As I am about to get a pair of Powerwraps, I was wondering what the consensus (or controversy), among the boot guys here, is on the subject, and whether their opinions are based solely on customer feedback or on personal comparative analysis.

Also, how durable is this as an option compared to Superfeet, as they pack out will this cause the arch area to become more pronounced? Thanks in advance for the insight.
post #2 of 6
The bottom thickness of some of the intuitions is between 7 and 10mm. That is a lot of material when you add a fully posted thick custom like a superfeet or a surefoot device, or any thick posted footbed.

I am a strong believer in full contact of the bottom of the foot to the boot, so sometimes if a custom is too thick to interface well with the Intuition, I will build the skier a heat molded blank like a Conformable, or an Instaprint and not add posting material. That way you get good contact with the plantar surface of the foot without taking away any volume. The Intuition can mold to fill in the space between the underside of the footbed and the liner.

jim
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Originally Posted by starthaus View Post
The bottom thickness of some of the intuitions is between 7 and 10mm. That is a lot of material when you add a fully posted thick custom like a superfeet or a surefoot device, or any thick posted footbed.

I am a strong believer in full contact of the bottom of the foot to the boot, so sometimes if a custom is too thick to interface well with the Intuition, I will build the skier a heat molded blank like a Conformable, or an Instaprint and not add posting material. That way you get good contact with the plantar surface of the foot without taking away any volume. The Intuition can mold to fill in the space between the underside of the footbed and the liner.

jim
Thanks for the response Jim.

I may not have been clear when I said Superfeet, I meant the green ones which aren't custom molded, I've had very good luck with them, but wonder if they are necessary with Intuition Powerwraps. I've heard some suggest not.
post #4 of 6
Intutions work best with a low volume full contact orthotic/footbed.

If you've had good lock with stock super feet, great. Have you tried a Conformable or an Instaprint? They are very nice.

Also without a footbed, I would expect there to be a gap under the arch.

Are you getting them fit with toe caps?
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Originally Posted by Skiing-in-Jackson View Post
Intutions work best with a low volume full contact orthotic/footbed.

If you've had good lock with stock super feet, great. Have you tried a Conformable or an Instaprint? They are very nice.

Also without a footbed, I would expect there to be a gap under the arch.

Are you getting them fit with toe caps?
I'm trying to minimize expense, I'll use the stock Superfeet I already have before buying something new. Insoles are spendy, and I'm poor.

I'll be getting them molded at Gull Ski here in Missoula, which is part of the price of purchase. I think the shop has toecaps and will recommend them, though I'm not sold on leaving very much space around my toes. Are toecaps different than just having double toe socks on? It's been four years since I had my Thermoflex molded there, and it's kinda hazy.

I wanted to bring this up beforehand to be better informed about my options. I've heard going without insoles advocated, and wanted to hear if any of the boot guys had direct experience with this.
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Are toecaps different than just having double toe socks on?
What is a double to sock? With any sock in a heat molding process I would be especially concerned about the sock compressing unevenly and leaving an impression that is not uniform. Wear as thin a sock as possible so that you get as close a mold of you foot that you can get.

Toe caps give an even impression and create room that even skiers who are used to the tightest, most aggressive fit appreciate. If people pass on the toe caps, many times they'll come back for a refit later requesting them.
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