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Slush, Mashed Potatoes, Spring Cement

post #1 of 27
Thread Starter 
Best ski for Wet Slush, Mashed Potatoes, Spring Cement and a few bumps thrown in for good measure?

Mythic Rider
Elan 888
Watea 94
Mantra
Bridge
Head 888
Head MoJo 90
New Head MoJo 94

Please share your thoughts/experience.

Thanks
post #2 of 27
From my quiver... 179 PE But I haven't skied any of those you mentioned.
post #3 of 27
Thread Starter 
Thanks Tromano, that's another thought. Other opinions?
post #4 of 27
From my recent quivers from best to not so good:

194 LP Pro (raceroom 05/06)
195 XXX (black/white 90mm waist) small bumps OK.
191 Mantra
190 Explosiv
185 XXX (black/white 90mm waist)
193 Sanouk
200 AK Rocket (original yellow one)
192 Elan M777 (a little thin if the slush is deep)

Not so good:
175 Stockli XL (not so fun if the slush is deep)
168 Volkl 6* (really sucked if the slush was deep)


BTW: I think length helps with stability and smoothness.

Stiffnesswise, stiffer is better, but it has to be soft enough to handle the bumps you are going to ski. The 195 XXX were really fun if things were relatively smooth. But in big tight bumps, the 195 XXX were a bit of work.

Plus, good wax (and/or notWax) can really make a ski better in the wet stuff.
post #5 of 27
From your list, I'd pull the Mantras.

Out of my own quiver, I'd probably grab a slalom ski or my Blizzard Cronus. Whatever I grabbed, I'd have some good wax on it.
post #6 of 27
Ditto on the Mantras.

Where is the Head M88???

That ski tracked like a freight train in sloppy snow. Albeit heavy, it was a great ski for the chop.
post #7 of 27
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Skiing-in-Jackson View Post
Ditto on the Mantras.

Where is the Head M88???

That ski tracked like a freight train in sloppy snow. Albeit heavy, it was a great ski for the chop.

Sorry about the typing--The Head 88 is listed, but my finger got carried away on the 8s (it says 888) but that is meant to say 88. Sorry.

So far, it seems like the Mantra is attracting the most love. Others??
post #8 of 27
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by epic View Post
From your list, I'd pull the Mantras.

Out of my own quiver, I'd probably grab a slalom ski or my Blizzard Cronus. Whatever I grabbed, I'd have some good wax on it.
Epic, I do own a pair of Slalom skis which I use mostly when the surface is ice hard and skied-off (Maine...). I haven't gravitated towards these for wet/sloppy conditions. Is this something you really recommend. I figured wider boards would be helpful in terms of staying on top of the slush and needing to do less work getting into it and pushing it around??
post #9 of 27
It all depends on how you want to ski it. Sometimes it's nice to get into the snow and slice through it. Also, a lot of those spring days start out as a coral reef or frozen groom before going to slush. If it's no longer freezing at night and that slush is getting deeper the bigger ski will be a better option. Also, if you are skiing trees and the snow is getting hollow, the slalom can be a little scary. I'm pretty sure I ran slalom skis all day at Bumpphest this year and that was uber-slushy.
post #10 of 27
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Originally Posted by RiDeC58 View Post
Best ski for Wet Slush, Mashed Potatoes, Spring Cement and a few bumps thrown in for good measure?

Mythic Rider
Elan 888
Watea 94
Mantra
Bridge
Head 888
Head MoJo 90
New Head MoJo 94

Please share your thoughts/experience.

Thanks
Ride, I am also an eastern skier and I too have a midfat for my everyday sticks. I have the '08 Mojo 90 in a 176 and LOOOOOOOOOOVE it! It handles all the crap you're bound to find around here- the slush, the chowder and believe it or not it is suprisingly good on ice too! It's light and agile as all hell, has gobs of pop and is a bit stiff but a ton of fun. IMO the best tree ski I've ever tried. It's just the perfecet mix of everything you'd want a ski to be- especially in a midfat! Tromano's right- the PE is a great ski and I loved it, but the Mojo is the way to go unless you are under serious money constraints. It handles speed far better and edgehold on ice is better as well. Good luck man dont be afraid to ask me any questions about it if you want to know something specific.
post #11 of 27
of that list, the Watea94 is certainly a good ski.

I would ask why not a goat?
post #12 of 27
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
I would ask why not a goat?
Because he lives in the east and even on those pow days there's still ice/crust somwhere... 100+ waist would be a pow day ski out here, and a 90ish waist will give him real versatility out here. At least that's my take
post #13 of 27
Good point, I missed the EC thing

OK, how about a Stockli Scott schmidt or xxl?
post #14 of 27
I'm with Stormday on this one. I like big skis in the wet stuff. I usually use my LP's and if I start to break through, I go wider.
post #15 of 27
From your list, Mantra definitely, Mojo 90, no, haven't skied the rest. Suspect Mojo 94, 888, MR would be next in that order. But IMO, iM88 or Stockli XXXL are best of anything made under 100, and Dynastar XXL, Stockli 102, anything made over 100.
post #16 of 27
I didn't know that 888 was im88, yea that ski rocks spring crud too.

I think the trick is how much icy crud vs how much bumps you are going to be seeing. Just about any of those you mention will be good in the softer stuff.

More bumps go with a less damp ski like a PE, more crusty icy crud go more over damp ski like im88.
post #17 of 27
For the slush & taters & slush bumps end - anything fat & rockered will make life easier. Reverse or minimal sidecut introduces some decision making regarding trade offs.

On a really slushy, slurpee day, it is hard to imagine anything much easier than a Praxis. After that, of skis I've used I'd do Pontoon, Kuro, DP 138 or Hell Bent. The Hell Bents obviously do better when you hit the crunchy stuff. Conventional skis wouldn't even be on my list anymore - as nice as my goats are...

Last spring I got a skeptical cloudpeak to take the Praxis out in spring slush at Alpental after using Auras and Elizabeths. Nothing but Praxis came out for the rest of the spring...

As for the LP's mentioned above -- if you don't want to go rockered, maybe think about Huge Troubles instead. The Huge Troubles seemed to eat all of that up when I saw them in action. But the driver likely had something to do with it... Maybe a Katana? My comments on these two are from hearsay and watching folks ski - I have used neither myself. In a sort of similar vein, maybe contemplate Lhasa Pow or Czar or Lotus 120 style tip-rocker skis...

Obviously I'm posting from the west coast, so take that for whatever it might be worth.
post #18 of 27
I'd stay under 90mm and say Trip 8's or Epics mention of Blizzard but the Titan Nine.
post #19 of 27
Have you ever tried a big rockered ski in slush? It is a different world. And IMO a better one...
post #20 of 27
Thread Starter 
I appreciate all the opinions. As was noted previously, I am talking about the East Coast (Ice Coast) and as epic pointed out, the mornings often start out crunchy (sometimes downright hard/slick) so unless I am going to change skis mid morning, I don't think super fats or rockers are the way to go for me. These skis just would not offer enough versatility as conditions change through the day.

The Mantra and Head Monster 88 seems to be among the more popular suggestions, other good thoughts too. I may need to look around for a deal.

Does anyone know if the MoJo 94 is a true Twin or just a bit of a turned tail?

Are the Mantras and 88s serviceable in moderate bumps or will I just be along for the ride?--I know it would help if I could actually ski bumps---I'm working on it.

Thanks all.
post #21 of 27
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Originally Posted by RiDeC58 View Post
Are the Mantras and 88s serviceable in moderate bumps or will I just be along for the ride?--I know it would help if I could actually ski bumps---I'm working on it.

Thanks all.
The Mantras will work in moderate bumps. (haven't skied the 88's)
post #22 of 27
I have skied all the skis on your list except the Mojo 94 and own two of them (MR and Mantra). Here's my take.

Bumps..........
Best=Mojo 90, Bridge
Worst=Mantra,iM88

Crusty trail mix.......
Best=Mantra,iM88
Worst=Mojo 90

Slop,Goo,slush.......
Best=MR, Elan 888 (all on your list are pretty good though)
Worst=None really bad on your list but twins are not my personal fave for those conditions.

Best Combo of all??

Mythic Rider or Head 88 if you are pretty agressive, Bridge if you are a little more relaxed.

SJ
post #23 of 27
My Metron B5's eat that stuff up.
post #24 of 27
You could also consider a Movement Thunder, very similar to the im88 in terms of ride/feel.. 88 under foot as well. dims very similar to mythic rider..
post #25 of 27
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Originally Posted by RiDeC58 View Post
Does anyone know if the MoJo 94 is a true Twin or just a bit of a turned tail?
Contrary to what I posted in the Review thread when I first skied these last winter, the Mojo 94 is a twin tip. It has what I would call a "moderate" twin tail, but it's definitely a twin and skis somewhat "shorter" than the nominal length. Here's the blurb from the Head site:

Skill: experts
Terrain: off-piste, deep snow
Style: excellent skiing technique
Speed: fast
Length: 166 / 173 / 180 / 187
Radius: 19.5 @ 180
Sidecut: 132/94/119 @ 180
Colors: black/white

+Sandwich Twin-Tip Construction
+Extra durable ABS sidewalls
+Ultra-fast UHM C Die Cut Base
+Bindings: HEAD Mojo 15 (matt black/silver)
post #26 of 27
I'm not sure how the Volkl AC50 isn't on the list (or the 40 for that matter). It should be.
post #27 of 27
Thread Starter 
Thanks epic for the suggestion. I am hoping to narrow the field rather than expand it, but the AC40/50 would be a good thought.

Thanks Sierra Jim for your thoughtful analysis. By those ratings, I would prob lean towards Mythic, Bridge or Elan 888. I think I need to demo.

Bob, thanks for setting the record straight on the MoJo 94 tails.

Bob, how would you rate the 94 vs the others in this group. I know you really enjoyed the 94s. How would you place them with regard to this question of good in slush, crud, cement, but workable in bumps??? I would wonder if they would be too blanky for bumps---anyy thoughts? How does it compare to the Head 88s. Any input would be appreciated.
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