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post #31 of 64
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This is a clever little bit of social engineering. Works well in other venues as well.
Or, quite honestly, makes you look like a know it all jackass. I've had times were it didn't work that well for one reason or another, but thats when it's time to find a new shop anyway. especially if they don't know what an Arkansas stone or over-pronation are.
post #32 of 64
After reading this thread, I am worried about having my skis worked on by Ski Co.

I need bindings mounted on Head iM78's. I also am trying to pick up a GS ski or a cheater ski with a radius of ~21, which I would then need them to mount the bindings on.

What do you all recommend I do?
post #33 of 64
I was there today to do a mount on a pair of kids skis I bought at the fair.

I have noticed a couple of things about the store and how it's run now. Because I wasn't looking for anything for myself, I cannot speaking for their adult merchandise and service.
  • The staff is now more courteous and they are more willing to work with the customer to resolve issues. But those who can truly offer meaningful service are still limited to a very few. And, they are still a bit careless about what they are getting out the door. They did me right today and it took a little bit of work on my part.
  • their kids' inventory is now very generic and run of the mill. They don't seem to carry anything at the higher end anymore (skis and boots included). I didn't ask but I have a feeling they now only take orders for their specialty items. That makes me wonder about their race section in Rochester store. As of last year, all their pro/race orders came through Rochester.
  • mounting is no longer free for a purchase made at the fairground sale. They now charge $10. Call me cheap but unless I am getting a real deal, that makes less of an incentive to buy from them anymore. At least, it's no longer worth the while to drive the distance just to do a couple of mounts (unless they are able to do the mount while you wait -- like in my case today) versus you spend about the same (or slightly) money for better work else.
  • they no longer have previous years' models on display nor are they marked at steep discounts. Maybe they are saving those for a late season sale. Or, maybe we won't see the stock till next year's sale at the fairgrounds. That is too bad because the drastic markdown used to be a major attraction for some people to visit their store.
post #34 of 64
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Originally Posted by skier2369 View Post
What do you all recommend I do?
Where in CNY are you? And, where is your home mountain?

Just my 2 cents... I think The Ski Company will be ok for standard work. I haven't had trouble with their mounts although they have only been on junior equipment.

If you decide to go elsewhere, you have the other stores that others have already mentioned. If you're close to a ski hill, Greek has a decent shop and Lab I hear is pretty good. Maybe others can chime in on the other ski places.
post #35 of 64
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Originally Posted by chanwmr View Post
Where in CNY are you? And, where is your home mountain?

Just my 2 cents... I think The Ski Company will be ok for standard work. I haven't had trouble with their mounts although they have only been on junior equipment.

If you decide to go elsewhere, you have the other stores that others have already mentioned. If you're close to a ski hill, Greek has a decent shop and Lab I hear is pretty good. Maybe others can chime in on the other ski places.
I live in Fabius, actually, so I am 5 mins from Lab or Tog.

However, I am in Albany pretty often.

I do not know much about mounting ski's or waxing. I want a place that I do not have to worry about working on my equipment.
post #36 of 64

I always buy boots by taking my old boot in

and putting that on one foot and the boot I am trying on on the
other for comparison and I have not gone wrong using this method and I also check out any online review for any boot that
fits me. There was one pair of boots that I found were not beefy enough for long mid fat skis and that was the Technica
Diablo Fire which were not as good handling wise as the old Technica Icon Alu which were a taller boot.
post #37 of 64
Thread Starter 
I bought a pair of skis/bindings from ski co at one of their fairground sales. I had them mount them, they did a decent job.

I've also had stone grinds done by them, passable work, but not great.


I've only had release checks done by the shop at lab, so I can't really comment, but I was talking to the shop tech for a minute and he seemed to have a good grasp on things.
post #38 of 64
90 minutes from Albany...Stratton and Green Mountain Orthotic Lab. No place better in the east although there are several that are on par (couple in Stowe, Paul Richelson in Plymouth, NH, etc). Go now before they get busy. Make an appointment before you go. It's about the same distance as going to Ellicotville. I lived in Syracuse for 5 years (02-07). I feel your pain.
post #39 of 64
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Originally Posted by bjohansson View Post
90 minutes from Albany...Stratton and Green Mountain Orthotic Lab. No place better in the east although there are several that are on par (couple in Stowe, Paul Richelson in Plymouth, NH, etc). Go now before they get busy. Make an appointment before you go. It's about the same distance as going to Ellicotville. I lived in Syracuse for 5 years (02-07). I feel your pain.
Unfortunately I won't be in Albany anytime soon, funny since I am usually there 2x a month.

I will be giving Labrador a shot. Their tech sounded like he knew what was going on, and they charge 30 bucks to have your binding mounted. Ski Co wanted 60.
post #40 of 64
Dumpy,
If you want to stay close to home, go se Miguel at Mud,Sweat, And Gears. I don't think you can go wrong.
post #41 of 64
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Dumpy,
If you want to stay close to home, go se Miguel at Mud,Sweat, And Gears. I don't think you can go wrong.
hardly close to home... thats a good 3.5-4 hours away, but I've heard nothing but good things, so I'm thinking I may check him out.
post #42 of 64
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hardly close to home... thats a good 3.5-4 hours away, but I've heard nothing but good things, so I'm thinking I may check him out.
Sorry if this sounds like a shameless plug...

dumpy, Mud, Sweat and Gear typically brings down a lot of stuff to Greek Peak's swap (run by the race club) for consignment. Maybe if you call them ahead of time, you can meet them at the sale, at least to get started. Then you can decide whether to make the trip. This year's swap (like in previous years) will be held on the weekends right before and right after Halloween. While you're there, feel free to shop for other toys you don't need.
post #43 of 64
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Originally Posted by dumpy View Post
hardly close to home... thats a good 3.5-4 hours away, but I've heard nothing but good things, so I'm thinking I may check him out.
Sorry if this sounds like a shameless plug...

dumpy, Mud, Sweat and Gear typically brings down a lot of stuff to Greek Peak's swap (run by the race club) for consignment. Maybe if you call them ahead of time, you can meet them at the sale, at least to get started. Then you can decide whether to make the trip. This year's swap (like in previous years) will be held on the weekends right before and right after Halloween. While you're there, feel free to shop for other toys you don't need.
post #44 of 64
Dumpy and others who may be looking for a boot fitter in CNY:

I had my 12-yo tried on her Langes Comp 60 from last season and found that she could no longer get her feet into the boots. The thinking was that if she can't fit them in now, there was no way she can do that in much colder weather in a couple of months.

In attempt to get her fitted for a new pair of boots, we were at Cayuga Ski Cyclery in Ithaca and had a change to meet up with their boot fitter Jeff there. The experience was very positive. Instead of pushing to sell us a new pair, he recommended swapping out the liners from a pair of Head Raptors that is one size up that I got for her last season (which she wouldn't wear because they are pinching her shins). In contrary to my belief that she has outgrown her boots, after checking her foot shape and the new boots, it was explained to me that she actually max'ed out on the Lange liners but not its shells.

Keeping a long story short, we tried out what Jeff recommended and what do you know, it worked. Her feet went into her old boots with larger liners and the shins don't hurt anymore.

Needless to say, I was a pretty happy camper today. So, with that experience, even realizing that YMMV, I would recommend Jeff to anyone who is serious about getting a good pair of boots.
post #45 of 64
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Originally Posted by epl View Post
the foot performance center in rochester does fitting, but they don't sell boots. they also have a shop at bristol mountain, and the fitters at both locations are certified pedorthists. in ellicottville there's also mud sweat and gears, i've always gotten good service from them, and i think their rates are the most reasonable in town. they don't stock any lange boots, but they had a good selection from other manufacturers last time i was there.
I had my boots modified and footbeds done by Dave Cardillo at the Foot Performance center in Rochester, when he was working with Snow Country. He did a great job. I already had my boots selected and shell fitted at Snow Country then had footbeds, alignment, punches etc done by him.

You can also go to the Ski Company in Rochester. They have some good guys there, specifically talk to Glen Muxworthy. Beyond Glen I know there is another guy there who knows his stuff and also probably a couple clueless hires. Find out when glen is there, talk to him he'll hook you up. He will devote his attention to one customer at a time, so you might have to wait.

Now I'm in albany and wishing I was in Rochester for new boots! I'm going to check out sportspage in glens falls, then probably that place at stratton for boot work.
post #46 of 64
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So I've got two new bits of info to add on this, both positive

I went to Cayuga Ski tonight, they are very good with boots. The salesperson on duty tonight was very knowledgeable and helped me out quite a bit, certainly not your minimum wage high school kid found elsewhere. He also mentioned how much boot fitting experience the owner has and told me when he would be in the shop. They have a decent fitting set up in regards to machinery and footbeds/custom liners. Not a huge selection of boots, but enough and the staff more than makes up for that. I will certainly buy boots from them. Thanks Chan!!

Also since this also became a makeshift "lets bash the Ski CO" thread, I must say that my GF and I went there recently with the intention of her just trying on some helmets to see whats out there. Again a knowledgeable sales person (I thought that even with my usual "these guys suck" attitude) helped her out and she ended up making a purchase, so maybe they really are turning things around. Only time will tell
post #47 of 64
Stopped in Ski Company's Rochester store today. What many, including myself, said about this store still applies -- even though I saw some improvement in the Syracuse store. The store was packed full of shoppers. The markdowns were still on display (apparently they keep all the closeouts in Rochester). However, the high end stuff is pretty expensive, like in Syracuse. The race room still exists but most late models are sold at MSRP. Older race stuff is slightly discounted. About half of the sales people were less than friendly. (some kid told me there was no rest room before I found it myself) Competency was equivalent to less than that of a good swap.

I did end up buying a pair of discounted NOS jr GS poles due to the lack of discounted stock online.

Just figure I share that here.
post #48 of 64
So it looks like Jeff at Cayuga ski?

I just bought a pair of Tecnica Agent 120's off the internet. I know, I know, but I needed something cheap for this season and I couldn't find anything local. I tried on a ton of boots, including an Agent 100 and a Tecnica Race boot, both fit fine. The Race boot was pretty tight in the midsection of the boot, but the toes were fine, and that was my concern.

....So I got my Agent 120's in the mail today, and they fit tighter than the Lange Fluid 120's I didnt buy because I was worried about room in the toe. At this point I am pot-commited, and was hoping I could find a boot fitter that could take some material out of the toes. I should add the rest of the boot is tight, but fits very well. I was hoping to find a 98mm boot that had more room in the toe, and I thought I had found that in the Tecnica
post #49 of 64
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So it looks like Jeff at Cayuga ski?

Yes, now that I've bought boots from there and skied in them for a few days, I can fully recommend CS&C. They did very good work for me and seem like nice folks.

I'd definitely say check them out, plus what other options do you have in this area?? The Sham Co?? Bring a pair of boots you bought elsewhere in there and I bet they'd laugh you out the door or try to sell you a new boot or maybe they'd try to buy out the internet, I mean thats what they do to competition.
post #50 of 64
Stopped in to Ski Co last week to take a look at some boots knowing full well that I am headed to E'ville. Was what I expected.. Looks like you're a 10 and a half.. let me see what we have... try these.. ok... now try these. That is all we have in your size. Atomic Hawk 90 and Lange Fluid 120 felt the best. These were their two top of the line boots. Commented on a little tightness here or there and was told they'll feel better when you ski.

On the other hand.. I had a lengthy conversation with Miguel at MSG about boots. He touched on many of the topics I have read about here. Told me to bring my old boots and skis. Just in case something could be done with my old boots and skis so they could adjust the bindings if necessary. Talked about pronation and foot widths. Types of skiing and types of skis. What I wanted out of the boot for performance and comfort. Much better feeling just over the phone. Now Christmas is getting in the way of a trip west. Should be making it down there the week after Christmas for new boots and some skiing.
post #51 of 64
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Stopped in to Ski Co last week... That is all we have in your size. Atomic Hawk 90 and Lange Fluid 120 felt the best. These were their two top of the line boots.
Haha they pushed the same 2 boots on me. You aren't a 27.5 by any chance are you? They had almost nothing in my size.

I wish I had bought the Lange's
post #52 of 64
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On the other hand.. I had a lengthy conversation with Miguel at MSG about boots. He touched on many of the topics I have read about here. Told me to bring my old boots and skis. Just in case something could be done with my old boots and skis so they could adjust the bindings if necessary. Talked about pronation and foot widths. Types of skiing and types of skis. What I wanted out of the boot for performance and comfort. Much better feeling just over the phone. Now Christmas is getting in the way of a trip west. Should be making it down there the week after Christmas for new boots and some skiing.
Miguel is the best for sure.
post #53 of 64
Yup... 27.5 fits well! I'm still going to pay whatever I need to for a good fit that I can walk away from happy!
post #54 of 64
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Yup... 27.5 fits well! I'm still going to pay whatever I need to for a good fit that I can walk away from happy!

I would go buy those Fluid 120's if I were you and get them custom fit. If I had the money that is the route I would go.
post #55 of 64
Hey guys, any experiences from this year to share as of yet?

I bought a pair of used GS ski's.  I need the bindings mounted.  I was thinking of going to Lab again.  Any suggestions?
post #56 of 64
Snow Country (now called Snow) in Rochester (David through the Foot Performance Center), and Mud Sweat and Gears in Ellicottville (talk to Dennis of Miguel) are my two top choices. I get all my work done at one of those two shops.
post #57 of 64
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Snow Country (now called Snow) in Rochester (David through the Foot Performance Center), and Mud Sweat and Gears in Ellicottville (talk to Dennis of Miguel) are my two top choices. I get all my work done at one of those two shops.

Thanks, but I never travel West.  I would really prefer to have these mounted in central ny or east of there.  A good shop in the capital region would work also.

Does anyone know a shop in the area that uses a Campbell Balancer?  I would really like these GS skis setup by someone proficient.  They are "better" than race stock and I am not even sure if they have center mark on the ski.
post #58 of 64
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Thanks, but I never travel West.  I would really prefer to have these mounted in central ny or east of there.  A good shop in the capital region would work also.

Does anyone know a shop in the area that uses a Campbell Balancer?  I would really like these GS skis setup by someone proficient.  They are "better" than race stock and I am not even sure if they have center mark on the ski.
 

If they are used wouldn't there already be a center line marked from the original mounting? Also, if you're going to get a "better than race stock" ski mounted I would make it a point to get to a shop that is proficient in dealing with race product. Even if your skis aren't marked those are the shops that will have the recommended tip-tail measurements or at least be able to get them from their race reps. You don't want to end up at a shop where you walk in and the shop staff says "wow, look at those, I've never seen those before." You want to go to the shop that says "oh yeah I mounted 10 pairs of those last year; 4 of them were for so-and-so-sponsored-local-racer, did you get them from him/her?" If you're hell-bent to stay in NY the shops I listed are your best best for that. Most of the Eastern NY racers are traveling to VT and NH for skis. I spent two seasons skiing from Albany and got pretty familiar with the race scene there, and there is not a shop in the capital region that I would let near my equipment. If you want to go all the way to Vermont, go see PJ at racestocksports.
post #59 of 64
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If they are used wouldn't there already be a center line marked from the original mounting? Also, if you're going to get a "better than race stock" ski mounted I would make it a point to get to a shop that is proficient in dealing with race product. Even if your skis aren't marked those are the shops that will have the recommended tip-tail measurements or at least be able to get them from their race reps. You don't want to end up at a shop where you walk in and the shop staff says "wow, look at those, I've never seen those before." You want to go to the shop that says "oh yeah I mounted 10 pairs of those last year; 4 of them were for so-and-so-sponsored-local-racer, did you get them from him/her?" If you're hell-bent to stay in NY the shops I listed are your best best for that. Most of the Eastern NY racers are traveling to VT and NH for skis. I spent two seasons skiing from Albany and got pretty familiar with the race scene there, and there is not a shop in the capital region that I would let near my equipment. If you want to go all the way to Vermont, go see PJ at racestocksports.

They are an 05 Fischer GS ski that is supposedly a better ski than the race stock, but not quite what the top USST guys got.  Supposedly (again) around 100 pairs of these skis saw the US.  The seller is a fellow bear and I beleive him.  Regardless, I do not have the skis yet, they will be shipped to me shortly, and I want to plan this out.  Nobody will have seen so-or-so racer, or the ski's recently, because they are an 05 model.  Labrador Mtn always had a decent little setup when it came to races and ski team, for central NY I figured their techs were most likely to have experience with race stock and +/- mounting (like bof rather than center line.)  Plus I had my iM78's mounted their last year and the techs were most definetly ski-bum ex-racers.  They knew what they were doing, but that doesn't mean I won't do some research and look for second opinions   I appreciate your commitment to western NY and your suggestions, but I live in New York City.  I doubt on my limited holiday time home I will make it out to Rochester or Ellicottville.  I would be more likely to go to VT (I will ski Killington thanksgiving weekend), but I wanted to avoid that.  By the way, I totally agree regarding shops in Albany.  During my time there I never ran into a shop I would let work on my equipment.  I was hoping someone knew something I didn't.  
post #60 of 64
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 By the way, I totally agree regarding shops in Albany.  During my time there I never ran into a shop I would let work on my equipment.  I was hoping someone knew something I didn't.  

How is Inside Edge (Reliable Racing) in Queenbury? Are they any good? I'm just curious.
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