That's an interesting one...
Originally Posted by BigE
We're not arguing about a word.
What I am stating is the definition of an "intermediate" skier as offered by the CSIA.
Having stable and accepted defintions of terms help skiing. In this case, a meaningful definition for the term "intermediate".
That's how the term is defined up here -- all skills at the consolidated level. That's really all there is to it.
This is probably quite a shock to most folks that have considered themselves intermediates for years.
Here is a good question:
Should an intermediate be able to pass level 1 skiing?
...because we just had a discussion elsewhere, about how great it would be to have meaningful definitions of anything ski-related, but how that's highly unlikely to happen any time in our lifetimes.
I'm L3 PSIA, L1 US Coaches Association. I passed my PSIA exams a long
time ago, as in back in the late 70s/early 80s. I have no idea what certification exams are like today, but back then, you had to be able to ski it, teach it, and talk it, pretty much in that order. Just to pass L1, you had to be a skier, as in, an all-mountain, all conditions skier.
I had skied and worked on my skiing my whole life, and spent 4 years teaching and learning the PSIA Thang before I went for my Level 1 (which is now a Level 2...go figure). I scored 3rd high on the exam at Crested Butte of all the L1 candidates, and would have passed the L2 (now L3...go figure) no sweat. I was definitely not
an imtermediate skier at that point, nor were most of the successful candidates...but I'm not gonna debate that some of the people who squeaked through were, to put it charitably, somewhat less than expert skiers.
Fast forward to my L2 (now L3...go figure) exam the next year at Loveland. I spent a whole winter training, skiing, racing, teaching, and so forth, and was skiing great...until I hammered my knee skiing powder with a bunch of the boys. I couldn't even go up the lift without taking off my right ski. So I went to Loveland, groveled around, and managed to pass my L2 by a 1/2 point. Was I an intermediate skier that week? Absolutely. Was I an intermediate skier, overall, at that point in time? Absolutely not
Again, I dunno what the current model is for PSIA is (or whatever) certification is. My teaching/learning model is and always has been, I want to learn from the best...the people who can do it, talk it, teach it. One of my summer sports is tournament tennis, and my coaches for the last 5 years have been, respectively, two Men's Assistant coaches at CU Boulder (one, a former #90 in the world), the Head Men's Coach, and the former #2 player. The thing is, they didn't just work on my strokes and do drills, they played competitive sets with me, which, to me, was worth more than the price of admission.
One of my current Masters coaches and teammates, at Eldora in Colorado, is Broc Thompson, who was indubitably the top dog in Rocky Mountain Masters for the last few years, started racing FIS races last year at the age of 39...and is now down to something ridiculous like 54 points in SL. Just skiing a run or two with him, or watching him rip a SL course, or doing drills with him is a whole education in technique, line, and athleticism.
So, kind of regardless of what the reality of an L2, as teacher, as skier, as whatever, currently is...what do your students want
it to be? More important, what do you
want it to be? I always wanted to, as they say in the Air Force, Aim High, which is why I got into Masters racing and coaching...but that's a whole other story. If you're a teaching or coaching professional, it's kind of up to you
as to where your collective skills are going. All I'm saying is, I know who I want to coach me
, and it's the best I can find...