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Do you give people a head's up when you lower the foot rest?

post #1 of 61
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Is it impolite to lower the footrest without giving a little notice to your fellow riders on the chair? It is really starting to irk me more and more when we get on a quad and suddenly the footrest comes down without a word from the person lowering it. Am I just getting cranky? I guess I take mental ownership of the chair and figure we own half of it for our ride up and deserve to be in on the decisions. Sometimes you are checking out the scenery lost in your thoughts and then the footrest comes crashing down disrupting everything. It seems that only about 20% of the time when someone lowers the footrest do they ask first with a simple "Do you mind if we lower the foot rest?" We always comply with them, and I like these people almost immediately and usually start up a little conversation.

It is getting harder and harder to bite my tongue, I find my self running strange scenarios through my mind as I sit there percolating after someone drops the rest without a word, from giving them a short lesson on politeness and skiers etiquette even thinking about screaming out loud and pretending they caught my arm in the bar, just to get a reaction out of them. Of course it could just be me.
post #2 of 61
True. There were a few times at Whistler when I realized the bar was coming down when I felt it against my helmet. (Another reason for a braincan.)
post #3 of 61
I always give a heads up.
and I use the bar generally all the time if it is avail.
post #4 of 61

I never use the footrest (except on Peak Chair at Whistler).

I think proper etiquette is to look to make sure people are in a position to bring it down. In other words, not unbuckling their boots or trying to stow their poles. Only then ask for permission to lower it.
post #5 of 61
I have always thought it was a rule that the safety bar be used, (no choice). I always say "ready for the bar" just so it doesnt hit sombody leaning forward or a real tall person gets it in the head.
post #6 of 61

Back east, almost every chair has a foot rest, but out west, it might be a restraint bar, it might be a full foot rest, or more often than not, nothing at all.

In my four trips out west this year, I encountered quite a few people who got pissy when I lowered the bar (even when given a heads-up beforehand), as if you're insulting their manhood by pulling the bar down. Whatever.

Edit: this was a purely anecdotal set of experiences, not a general pronouncement about people in certain parts of the country.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ March 12, 2002 09:55 AM: Message edited 1 time, by jamesdeluxe ]</font>
post #7 of 61
I ski with a backpack, which puts you forward on the chair. After being klonked on the noggin a number of times, if I now notice someone lowering the bar, I announce to all on the chair the bar is coming down, and to please give some warning next time.

I've heard that in many locales the use of the bar (or cutting lift lines for that matter) is either standard practice. At a place like Whistler that consists of mostly tourists, you can't blame people too much for not bringing their home habits with them. Rather than getting angry, it is up to us locals to point out our customs. Most people I've run into are very receptive to this attitude, and it can be a good way to break the ice for conversation.

I usually find it more comforting after a long run to let my feet dangle, but respect those who would rather not.
post #8 of 61
Always! But then, I'm fairly tall and have, on many, many occasions, been brained by someone lowering the bar. Even when I make a comment such as, OOWWW!, sometimes I don't even get an apology.

I've even been leaning forward looseining my boot buckles, and had it come down and hit me in the back. Helloooo!!!! McFlyyyyy!!! Anyone home?!?!?
post #9 of 61
If someone brings it down without warning (I never use them) pending on their reaction to me stating the obvious "please ask if everyone is ready for the bar to come down" If they have no response or just clueless I won't let them bring it down at all.
I'll just plain tell them that I do not like the bar nor do I appreciate the fact that they just lowered it onto my head. Make them suffer for a chair ride and let them think about it.

If people want to use the bar that is just fine and dandy and I will oblige as long as they give fair warning....
post #10 of 61
When I lived out West (Colorado and Washington), the footrest was largely viewed as optional. Some people used it, and some didn’t. However, nearly everyone that desired to use it was polite about it, and asked if anyone on the chair minded its use. In 20 plus years of skiing out west, I never saw anybody mind the use of the footrest, nor did anyone ever get upset about it.

Last season I moved to Boston. Here, everyone assumes the footrest is coming down, and almost no one asks before lowering it. Since this seems to be the custom, most of the time it works out without incident. However, on at least three occasions, lack of courtesy in lowering the bar has resulted in angry words being traded by people on the chair. Two of these times, people were hit in the head without warning by the footrest. On both of these occasions, the bar was lowered by someone who didn’t even look at the rest of the chair before taking action.

A lot of people here just don't seem to respect fellow chair occupants enough to ask. If someone wants the footrest, it is coming down. Better make sure you are outta the way...
post #11 of 61
Not only give a heads up...but use it until you are close to the exit ramp!

A few days ago saw a father with 3 kids not use the bar at all. At the third tower from the end, the smallest kid, maybe 7, fell 50 feet. Imagine the thoughts running through the kid and dad's head. Don't know follow up on it. Happened in western NY.
post #12 of 61
No. I pull it down fast and hard. If anyone complains, I punch them silly and heave them off the chair, after taking their wallet. As they're falling, I always say, "have a nice run." Courtesy is important, after all.
post #13 of 61
Using the saftey bar is mandatory here. If you fail to use it, they'll tell you once and then, if you fail to comply, stop the lift until you do. I have experienced only minor, rare problems. My practice is to grab the bar, look at the other person or persons on the chair, and say "Ready for the bar?" or something like that. The I SLOWLY lower it. Wearing a helmet these days, a knock on the noggin is still not appreciated but harmless, but it does [very occasionally] happen when another peron on the chair gets to the bar first. Sometimes I like to use the footrest, sometimes I don't; but I've noticed when skiing the chairs without bars at Alta that I really don't need a footrest.
post #14 of 61
Don't usually have time to ask if I can lower the foot rest. The operator usually has it going down before my ski's are off the ground.

Thank goodness for helmets.
post #15 of 61
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by irul&ublo:
No. I pull it down fast and hard. If anyone complains, I punch them silly and heave them off the chair, after taking their wallet. As they're falling, I always say, "have a nice run." Courtesy is important, after all.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That was you? Bastard!
post #16 of 61
Always use it.After a long day on the slopes,that foot rest sure feels good.I always say "bar coming down" after I have given everyone a chance to get organized.
P.S. I always remove any pack I may be wearing and keep it on my lap for the ride up.
post #17 of 61
I found a simple solution that saves me aggravation and a knock on the head...

As soon as I get on the chair, I lean back against the backrest. Fool-proof way to avoid getting konked.
post #18 of 61
I get irritated if people don't ask to lower the bar, or at least give some kind of warning that it's coming down. I'm pretty tall, so I get banged in the helmet quite often. Harmless, but annoying. In these situations, I'll tell people to give a warning before pulling the bar down. No one's given me any attitude from my comment.
post #19 of 61
Always use it. Always give a warning and watch for acknowledgement and that it is clearing all the heads. Occasionally I'll run into someone who wants to prove they are more macho than I am by not using the bar. As long as there are no children on the chair I'll let it slide...
post #20 of 61
i'm finding this discussion interesting. i didn't realize use of the safety bar was so common. many of the chairs i ride in california don't have a bar. those that do, i've barely ever had anyone try to lower it. it's not a macho thing, just not something i ever thought about.
post #21 of 61
I don't ask, it is compulsory here, and I double the "compulsory" whenever I have kids with me, wherther mine or someone elses,and it is integrated with the footrest, almost always (in fact I know only of one single
chair chairlift with only the bar, still existing, of all the places I've skied).
I do give a warning, thought, and wait for everyone to be ready.
post #22 of 61
1. Why would you NOT be polite to your fellow lift riders?

2. Therefore, why would you even need to ask this question.

3. This thread belongs in Paula's Ski Lovers, a/k/a "the forum for self-validation"

the above is only partly sarcastic
post #23 of 61
I've gotten banged in the head by the bar before. It pretty much sucked.

On the occasions that this has happened, I don't say anything about it.

later I start to make pleasant conversation with my fellow chairlift rider. Halfway through the conversation, I point to the ground in front of the chair and exclaim "hey! wow! look at that!"

when they lean forward to see what I'm pointing at, I swiftly bring the bar back up into thier teeth.
post #24 of 61
I wait to see that the others are settled in then I cheerfully shout, "Bar, DOWN!" prior to bringing the safety bar down.

I am concerned for my personal safety and not as concerned about requesting permission to be safe.

Two different persons on different occasions told me they saw too many people fall out of the chair lift not to use the safety bar. If anyone complains I tell them about it, they stop complaining after they look down. [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #25 of 61
I never knew this was such a source of angst!

I can't recall ever being bashed on the (so far unhelmeted) head and I can't recall any hostilities - either on take-off or arrival. In Europe, they're not only fitted to just about every chair but, as Matteo says, you're also expected to use them.

The few I've ridden in the US and Canada without safety bars made me decidedly twitchy and I certainly wouldn't want my daughter on one.

Besides, it's an opportunity to put your feet up and chill, so what's the big problem?

post #26 of 61
Getting hit with the bar when you live in a region where their use is required is probably rare. It always comes down so it's expected.

The gotcha obviously is when an "outsider" visits one of these regions or someone from the region goes somewhere else to ski. Mixture of expectations leads to bar in the back of the head...

Always give a warning.
post #27 of 61

at least one out of every three times i go skiing, i get a ringer head ache from some moron... grrrrrrrrrrrr... great topic!!!! i can vent!!! lol.

i am tall, and never mind if i'm leaning forward (which i always do on a lift)... the bar clunks my head if i sit straight up! i need time to tilt the mellon to the side...

a simple "here come's the bar!!!!" would be really nice! thank you to those kind souls on this board who take the time to do so... us tall people really appreciate it!
post #28 of 61
I always ask and I always use it. Need something to lean on and I'd rather be safe than sorry. (I also wear seat belts, so call me a wuss.) If I'm not mistaken it seems that the polling seems to be running in this thread it looks like using the bar is less common out west.

Use here in New England is nearly universal. Once and a while I see some young bloods suffering from testosterone poisoning go with out. It's not like I consider it particularly death defying... it's just don't see what you gain from leaving it up.

Guilty secret: I banged my own helmet with it a half dozen times this season alone. I know it's pitiful but usually it happens on some creaky ass old double built for midgets.
post #29 of 61
Boy, have you all hit it on the head!

You can't fight it - the dork factor. I've tried. All that happens is that it creates anger which then fouls up your skiing. Can't do that.

Three tips for extreme personalities/weirdos/ski freaks like us:

1) Avoid dorks.

When all possible, I ride up the chair alone. This eliminates the chance that a dork can dork on me. One dork line that really sets me off:

"So. What do you do here"?

I've never been able to figure out why no one asks me if I own the place. I mean, Jeez. I did upgrade my outfit. No visible duct tape anymore.

Another that's a close second.

"Where are you from"?
"I grew up in Denver"
"Oh. So you're not from around here".

What? Like Denver isn't part of Colorado?

2) If you do get on the chair with dorks, immediately watch for the bar coming down.

Folks, we're not going to change the dorks. 100 years from now, they'll still be pulling down the damn bar without saying a word. Arguing just causes rage.

3) Finally, ski where they ain't.

Everyone thinks the source of my motivation is to become great. Wrong. I just wanted to get to where I could ski by myself as soon as possible. Put me in a crowd and all hell breaks loose.

Just so you all know, I'm forming a club. I haven't figured out a name for it, maybe Fox can help. The purpose of the club will be for social misfits like us to all meet and talk about our psycho behaviour and what really bugs us about the sport. We'll meet on the sickest line on the mountain, probably off-piste some where. We'll talk amongst ourselves and to the mountain. Because, the mountain is our god and the snow is our church.

Refreshments will be provided for.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ March 12, 2002 03:58 PM: Message edited 1 time, by SCSA ]</font>
post #30 of 61
Always use the bar. I enjoy hanging out on the edge at times but not on the chair up. In Ontario the bar is mandatory, same as seat belts. I end up grabing the bar and my seat belt without even thinking about it. ALWAYS give a heads-up and see that everyone is clear as it is coming down. The thought of a 30-50' fall out of a chair doesn't really thrill me. :
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