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Poll Results: Cycling enthusiast, do you also XC or skate ski?

 
  • 10% (2)
    Passionately & regularly
  • 10% (2)
    Moderately
  • 31% (6)
    Once in a blue moon
  • 47% (9)
    No
19 Total Votes  
post #31 of 45
Wow. I've been accused of being "not a REAL cyclist" and a "wimp" all in the same summer. Sweet
post #32 of 45
Thread Starter 
Purely in jest, I'm sure you realize.....since you'd kick everyone's butt.
post #33 of 45
post #34 of 45
I've had a season pass for mountain bike chairlift more than once, but I agree that real bikers ride uphill, and that doesn't exclude VG. I know she climbs.

Real skiers ski up the hill. I'm not there yet. I'm going to XC this year. Probably flat terrain, or rolling. I have waxless skis and boots, bindings.
post #35 of 45
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post
I've had a season pass for mountain bike chairlift more than once, but I agree that real bikers ride uphill, and that doesn't exclude VG. I know she climbs.

Real skiers ski up the hill. I'm not there yet. I'm going to XC this year. Probably flat terrain, or rolling. I have waxless skis and boots, bindings.
some of the worst skiers I have ever skied with downhill were those that earned all their turns....

you simply cant get good at going down by allways going up first. the samething goes for biking. I suck at Downhilling because I have never ridden a lift up.

I would probably enjoy Downhillling on bike more if I have spent more time riding chairlifts, heck I might even be faster on XC trail by downhilling.
post #36 of 45
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Originally Posted by volklgirl View Post
NO.

I'm too lazy.

I want someone to haul my fat a$$ to the top so I can use gravity going down. Down is good. Fast is good, too!
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Originally Posted by Alpinord View Post

..reminds me of when 'after a few' at a summer wedding reception at the base of Purg, near where they were loading cyclists onto the chairlift for the ride up the top to then bike down, I yelled out: "Real cyclists ride their bikes up the hill!"
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Originally Posted by volklgirl View Post
Wow. I've been accused of being "not a REAL cyclist" and a "wimp" all in the same summer. Sweet
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Originally Posted by Alpinord View Post
Purely in jest, I'm sure you realize.....since you'd kick everyone's butt.
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Originally Posted by volklgirl View Post
One thing to say to you Terry!

Bring it!!!!


Meet you at my house, we'll head to Boyne for a day of DH with VG. Then back to my house for steaks, Blue cheese potatoes, and Fresh squeezed lemonade!
post #37 of 45
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
some of the worst skiers I have ever skied with downhill were those that earned all their turns....
Some of the most naturally balanced people I have ever been around were those that earned all their turns. Cat-quick, poised, totally untutored.

Taking both our statements as valid, we might do some interesting deduction.

Like that the cues by which we judge "best" or "worst" skiing are derived from ski school nurture not skier nature.
post #38 of 45
My interest in AT skiing comes from wanting to stay more active through the winter months. Typically, I put on about 10-15lbs. I ski alpine with lift, nearly every weekend.

It is difficult to mountain bike in the winter here. The trails and roads get very icy. One little twitch of the front wheel and you might be chewing on your frame. Yes, it can be done, but it is a nuisance. I ride with both fenders. Still, I get wet and muddy. Its also difficult to wash a bike in the winter.

I get very bored on my road bike with a stationary trainer. Its also difficult with a toddler, wanting to play with those nifty spokes!

So, even with the marginal snow coverage, I think an inexpensive AT set up may be beneficial.
post #39 of 45
Johnny, telemark makes lift skiing more of a workout.

Get backcountry gear (between xc and telemark), and you can play on piste and on the trails behind your house with the same gear.
post #40 of 45
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post
Johnny, telemark makes lift skiing more of a workout.

Get backcountry gear (between xc and telemark), and you can play on piste and on the trails behind your house with the same gear.
yeah so much so that he'll start searching out short runs with long lifts....

If your going to tele lifts get skis and boots strong enough not to be a pain on hardpack slope, but get boots that actually let you tele because parralleling every turn on tele gear is just about the most retarded thing ever.
post #41 of 45
WVa has short runs and slow lifts, so I thought a nordic set-up might make more sense than AT. Kick wax or patterned base rather than skins.

If Johnny is looking for outside exercise to replace biking during the winter, xc skiing might fit the bill. If the hiking/biking trails near him are hilly and ungroomed, backcountry gear might be the best choice.

There isn't any lift-served in WVA that I couldn't easily ski with leather boots that cover my ankles and any skis with metal edges, but yes, if one's intent is to master telemark turns, telemark gear is preferable. I'm glad I learned on BC gear, but, yeah, most people I see using BC stuff on piste are obviously "over-challenged", struggling and developing bad habits. I've skied with Johnny and I think he could learn to ski down hill well on lightweight gear. It takes a certain attitude. I wouldn't recommend that approach for everybody. Basically though, I had in mind gear primarily intended for bushwacking, not lift-served, as he is looking for an alternative to mountainbiking, not alpine skiing.

I agree that downhill skiing (alpine or telemark) would be tough to learn without riding lifts.
post #42 of 45
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
...parralleling every turn on tele gear is just about the most retarded thing ever.
Using gear that requires one to parallel every turn is more smarter.
post #43 of 45
I'm probably using the wrong terminology!

I'm probably not going to get into lift serviced tele skiing. At least not this season. I hate falling.

I really wanted something that I could use out my back door. Something that I could maneuver around through the woods, across tree falls (if needed), while walking the dogs.

I would also like something that I could practice tele turns, skinning, all that stuff.

I like about the XC aspect of this type of skiing as well.

My MTB friends far outnumber my skiing friends. Some type of XC skiing would be more attractive to them. Every winter a few of these crazies go on winter weekend hikes! I was hoping maybe to get something that I could pack with me and catch some turns!

I was thinking of something like;
http://www.mountaingear.com/pages/pr...tem/112075/N/0

and;
http://www.mountaingear.com/pages/pr...tem/112000/N/0

I'm not sure what classification these fall into...

and I could be totally wrong...

They are kinda purty though.
post #44 of 45
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Originally Posted by Johnnys Zoo View Post
I'm not sure what classification these fall into...
In the terms telerod15 and I are using the classification is:

modern (sidecut) waxless ( no kick wax required on base) system (binding) BC (width and camber)

It's prime advantage being that it can be used in some fashion on any snow anywhere*.

*For what its worth to the dubious Utah contingent, during last Gathering oboe and I saw a guy at Solitude on a similar ski with a simlar system boot, Atomic Rainiers and Karhu Convert? the one with the plastic cuff.
post #45 of 45
Thread Starter 
(Note, there is a concurrent thread on BC/XC gear here. Maybe this discussion should shift to there?)

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Originally Posted by Johnnys Zoo View Post
I'm probably using the wrong terminology!

I'm probably not going to get into lift serviced tele skiing. At least not this season. I hate falling.

I really wanted something that I could use out my back door. Something that I could maneuver around through the woods, across tree falls (if needed), while walking the dogs.

I would also like something that I could practice tele turns, skinning, all that stuff.

I like about the XC aspect of this type of skiing as well.

My MTB friends far outnumber my skiing friends. Some type of XC skiing would be more attractive to them. Every winter a few of these crazies go on winter weekend hikes! I was hoping maybe to get something that I could pack with me and catch some turns!

I was thinking of something like;
http://www.mountaingear.com/pages/pr...tem/112075/N/0

and;
http://www.mountaingear.com/pages/pr...tem/112000/N/0

I'm not sure what classification these fall into...

and I could be totally wrong...

They are kinda purty though.
The 10th is essentially the same dimensions as my 190 cm Atomic Chugahes and IMO, would provide you with a wide range of options (much like an MTB). They're still light, do have enough 'beef' to bust through snow and turn well.

I think that the NNN boot and binding will limit your ability to easily learn and make tele turns due to torsional stability. (See previous picture with the BC touring set up to the right of the Chugaches with cables and light tele boots.) A tele binding (with boots) with a free pivot (like the BD 01) would help max the skis ability and all you NNN type hinging at the toe. The downside is the price and the NNN approach might be a good starting point and then swap bindings and boots later if you decide better turn control is the priority versus touring. A Cobra cable binding is a happy medium IME. For turning, go shorter before longer. I wish I got the next size down in the Chucaches.

Black Diamond has some kicker skins on sale. The down side of the patterned bases is limit grade options. The kicker skins are easy to carry and throw on, while still offering some glide on rolling terrain, versus full skins.
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