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Who's going to rock a rockered ski this year?

post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 
So with the release of the gear guides and mid-August drifting into late August, I sense the excitement level picking up and people starting to post more about gear as they start to think about the upcoming ski season.

The biggest thing I noticed about the gear guides was the prevelance of "rockered" skis in just about every brand's line. I'm curious as to how many here have (or will have) rockered skis and plan to ride them this year. It really is amazing how fun this makes surfing the POW......
post #2 of 28
second season with the praxis for me
post #3 of 28
'05-'06 - Spatulas
'06-'07 - DPS Lotus 138 Flex 2's
'07-'08 - DPS Lotus 138 Flex 3's
'08-'09 (this season) - Will be rocking PMGear Lhasa Pows
post #4 of 28
I have Volant Spatulas but the PMGear Lhasa Pows are calling my name.

Michael
post #5 of 28
I just bought a pair of 195 Praxis Powders last week. Which is weird because I've tried Spatulas and thought they were ok, but I never saw what the big deal was about them. But last year there were a couple days where it was so insanely deep that my biggest skis (Sanouks) just weren't doing it. I literally had to straightline most stuff or get bogged down. I didn't really have fun until it got cut up a bit and I didn't have to go straight just to keep momentum. After the second storm I vowed to get some even bigger skis for next winter. It was either a traditional ski like a Commi or the Praxis and the deal presented itself. I'm figuring the more I ski them the more I'll like them. I only gave the Spatulas about 5 runs and it usually takes me more than that to "get" the ski.
post #6 of 28
If my bent back skis dont hold up I will be skiing a rockered carver...if ther is such a thing, if there isnt I just invented it.
post #7 of 28
I'll be rocking Comki Kazis, an AK rockets, which have a pretty long rise tip.

I have a few other pairs of skis though.


I also have some moment M1s which I didn't really like and will be selling.
post #8 of 28
I've got EP Pros, just bought em a month ago
post #9 of 28
New this year
175 Praxis Powders for my daughter
195s for me.
Can't wait.
Also really liked my Sanouks but like Jer thought wider might be nice on really deep days.
post #10 of 28
Second season on Hellbent
Got a set of mini-rocker Obsethed
post #11 of 28
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces View Post
'05-'06 - Spatulas
Amazing, you must have skied the only pair made after the '03-'04 production run.

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Originally Posted by Jer View Post
I I only gave the Spatulas about 5 runs and it usually takes me more than that to "get" the ski.
With an odd ski like the Spatula (even the subsequent rockered skis really aren't quite like the Spatula) it probably would take more runs than that, and some explorations into tight trees, to truly appreciate what they can do.

That said, I'm hoping for many opportunities this coming seasons to more fully appreciate what Spatulas can do, but I understand why some have called it the best powder ski, and the best tree ski ever. It is a very odd ski though.
post #12 of 28
Thread Starter 
Lots of good skis out there for this year and looks like we'll have lots to compare. I was torn between the Lhasa Pows (formerly the Brockers) and a similar offering from Praxis. Sorry Tyrone, I pulled the trigger on the POW RX's from Praxis--similar dimensions with a rockered tip and tail. The price difference was almost $400 so I had to do it. I grabbed the 189's and they should be sweet, sweet love in the deep stuff.

Volant Addict...I have heard so much about the Spatulas. Educate me on what makes them so unique and why they have a such a loyal following. I'm assuming that these were really the predecessors to the Rockere(d) movement that we see today?
post #13 of 28
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Originally Posted by volantaddict View Post
Amazing, you must have skied the only pair made after the '03-'04 production run.
ha, maybe. I bought them at the very end of the '04 season, but then missed the '04-'05 season with a torn ACL I suffered while playing soccer just before that season started. So in '05 - '06 when I was all healed up and back, the Spatulas were essentially still brand new to me

locknload - no worries of course. Praxis is a great company...I'm sure you will enjoy them.
post #14 of 28
Thread Starter 
Ha....Thanks Ty...I did pick up a pair of used 188 Bros...so I truly have split loyalties now. Going to fly the flag for both companies b/c I appreciate the progressive perspective they are bringing to ski design and customer service. They just seem much more focused on the "love of the game" and it feels more authentic to me then the major manufacturers.
post #15 of 28
Not enough powder dumps here to justify a high $$$ end POW ski. I'll rethink the need in a few years when used ones are previlant and cheap.

I would certainly like to try one sometime though. I'm assuming they are really only useful in fairly deep fresh snow. Is this assumption correct?
post #16 of 28
186 Carbon BROckers for me
post #17 of 28
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post
I'm assuming they are really only useful in fairly deep fresh snow. Is this assumption correct?
No.

They are very happy in a fresh inches of fresh. Great in slush. Fun in corn. In short, any soft snow.
post #18 of 28
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Originally Posted by locknload View Post

Volant Addict...I have heard so much about the Spatulas. Educate me on what makes them so unique and why they have a such a loyal following. I'm assuming that these were really the predecessors to the Rockere(d) movement that we see today?
The Spatulas are unique because they are truly reversed camber, actually the reverse of the camber is more exaggerated than a hugely cambered ski. When on hard pack there is only around 40cm on the snow, and the reverse sidecut means that the widest part of the ski is under foot. In powder this causes the whole front of the ski to plane up rather than just the tips, and translates to being able to make immediate pivoting turns, which is why they are so awesome for tree skiing. However they are awful on any sort of packed snow, because the reverse side cut makes the skis want to spin if you try to carve with the edges.

Rockered skis took the idea that lifting the tips and tails (or just the tips) aids in offpiste skiing, and then tried to add in some degree of side cut so it would be somewhat functional on groomers. Rockered skis don't have as exaggerated a reverse of camber, and now some with regular camber between rockered tips and tails are coming out.

The Spatula may be as good a pure powder ski as anything, but it lacks the versatility of the rockered skis it inspired.
post #19 of 28
1996 Gauers
post #20 of 28
I'm working on a 2nd generation rockered prototype at Wagner Custom. www.wagnerskis.com
post #21 of 28
Just got a pair of 191 Scott P4's not hardcore rocker but its still there.
post #22 of 28
The way things look, the 4 active skiers in my house will be unloading virtually all the non-rockered skis in the fleet this fall. Between us, I'm pretty sure we skied over 120 days (maybe 150?) on rockered skis last season. We are all total converts.

I'm betting that as the relationship between sidecut and rocker becomes better understood, virtually all recreational skis will incorporate elements of what we are calling rocker or reverse camber today. In five years, talking about "rockered skis" will be like talking about "shaped skis" today. So if you are a camber die-hard, stock up on your favorites now! But that's just my .02, for now...
post #23 of 28
190 Katana from last season (zero camber but I dont think it has much of a rocker, if any) will be retired.

Depending on the time frame under which PMgear releases the 196 Brocker (Lahasa Pow) I plan to add that puppy to the quiver. Hoping they release it prior to January pow season in CO. That will be my new resort - BC powder ski.

Hurry up you guys!
post #24 of 28
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post
I would certainly like to try one sometime though. I'm assuming they are really only useful in fairly deep fresh snow. Is this assumption correct?
They are arguably better in shallower snow because in 2-3 inches you are surfing atop bottomless conditions. If you were on skinnier skis w/ the same 2-3 in. you would be skiing the bed surface with snow barely clearing bindings, not quite powder skiing.
post #25 of 28
been on rockered skis for powder since a first run spatula on 03

Few year of that, then a EHP in 05.

ya I like em'
post #26 of 28
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Originally Posted by SkiNebraski View Post
Just got a pair of 191 Scott P4's not hardcore rocker but its still there.
Me too, but I wasn't sure about the rocker...I know that they have very big tips and tails and can see that they have traditional camber underfoot but couldn't tell about the rocker. Does an extra long tip & TT count as rocker, or is there more too it? Are there any links that give the details on the P4s rocker?
post #27 of 28
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Originally Posted by MEfree30 View Post
Me too, but I wasn't sure about the rocker...I know that they have very big tips and tails and can see that they have traditional camber underfoot but couldn't tell about the rocker. Does an extra long tip & TT count as rocker, or is there more too it? Are there any links that give the details on the P4s rocker?
I would say the p4 is not rockered.
post #28 of 28
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Originally Posted by DropCliffsNotBombs View Post
I'm working on a 2nd generation rockered prototype at Wagner Custom. www.wagnerskis.com
You guys are making rockered designs then? I just pulled the trigger on getting some Wagners built and I wasn't sure how you guys felt about rockered skis. It seems from your website that the designers are kind of against rockered designs.

Hopefully, I will get the desing recommendations next week!
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