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post #31 of 52

Plagiarism is the sincerest form of ?

Ski-ra's write up of his request was so well done, it didn't make sense to try to re-provide many of the same descriptions, so I'm "modifying" (stealing) his. Thanks, Ski-Ra.

Goal: New in-bounds "western" powder ski for a light- to mid-weight advanced skiing 1'+ fresh snow days in trees, bumps and the occasional packed run back to the lift.

Skier: 5'7", 155-160lbs. advanced male skier. Will ski almost anything, 50deg slopes, tree runs, endless bumps (but not a 50deg tree run or sick terrain requiring air). Technique is focused on mid-speed controlled arcs with quick/short turns.

Terrain: Favorite areas are trees and bumps. I ski (to date) exclusively in east. I do not like sking steep, tight trees where there are only one or two tracks and there is little/no opportunity to turn upslope to shed speed. I tend to avoid cruiser runs. Since I ski in the east, carving on ice is standard practice.

Current "fat" Skis: 169 cm Atomic Nomad Crimson, 164 cm Public Enemies, 167 cm Fischer Watea 78.

New Skis?: Looking for a fat ski that is capable of handling western powder. Favor maneuverable and forgiving powder/crud skiing rather than "big mountain" high speed stability and stiffness, though some amount of power and precision is desired. Do not want a pure powder ski (i.e., 110mm+, rockered, noodle...). The ski does need to be able to handle some packed run duty (family skiing for part of the day).

Options I am considering (not an exclusive list, so feel free to suggest, but price is important):

174 cm Salomon 1080 Gun 07/08
171 cm Scott P4 07/08
177 cm Stockli Stormrider TT 06/07 or 07/08 (not sure which yr)
171 or 178 cm Rossi Scratch Brigade 07/08
174 cm Rossi Scratch Steeze 07/08 (the fugly bubble gum look and $100-200 more than the other options, but it's supposed to be a great ski)

Your recommendations? Other reasonably priced (preferably below $500 shipped) options?

Tks.

Ski the East
post #32 of 52
I'm 30 lbs heavier than you and just bought the P4 in a 191. I haven't skied it yet but it has very big Ttips with a short running length. I think you will find that the 171 skis equal to or shorter than your other skis (albiet wider).

The two shorter lengths of the Fischer Misfit (177 & 182, I think) were on tramdock recently. I skied the Atua (same ski) in a 186 last year and really liked it in most soft snow conditions and think you would like the 177 (or possibly even the 182 for deep snow). The only reason that I got the P4s is that I found the Atua too short on really deep days.
post #33 of 52
MEfree,

Tks. for the response. Everyone seems to love the P4 and it sounds perfect for me, but 181 seems like it might be a bit long for me (even in a TT). I was guestimating that the 173cm -177cm range was probably where I wanted to be.

Based on your recommendation, I checked out the Misfit 177. Its dimensions are similar to the Rossi Scratch Brigade 178cm and the Fischer Watea 94 178cm. Unfortunately I missed catching the Misfit when it was available on Tramdock super cheap.

Lots of folks on this forum appear to love the Watea 94. Do you know if the Misfit is the TT version of the Watea 94 (like the Scott Mission/Punisher)?

Ski the East
post #34 of 52
If you get the P4 it should be a 181.

These might still be available. http://tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132631

Also consider some skis with long rise or rockered tip. Like an obseth.
post #35 of 52
Of that "final four" I'd drop the Pro Rider. It's not a super burly ski but you made substantial ado in your OP about not wanting or needing a "big mountain" kinda ski. The new PR is not wicked stiff but it's more ski than the others. Of the others, I like the P-100 a lot. If you are even considering a 176 Gotama, don't agonize over the extry 3 cm of the 179 Prophet. (in fact, as a rule, don't agonize over 3-4 cm anyway, the model and flex are more important than the length)

But you might be missing something................

Consider, the Sollie "Czar". It's a low and early rise forebody rocker ski with conventional shape and standard camber from the mid-forbody back. It skis nicely enough on soft or choppy groomers that the "rocker" is barely noticeable. In powder, trees, deeps etc, it's wicked fun.

SJ
post #36 of 52
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Originally Posted by Ski the East View Post
MEfree,

Lots of folks on this forum appear to love the Watea 94. Do you know if the Misfit is the TT version of the Watea 94 (like the Scott Mission/Punisher)?

Ski the East
No- slightly different dims, but I think there are quite a few similarities in their construction (although I don't think the misfit uses the I-beam- check Fischer's website to verify). Do a search here for Atua (same as Misfit) and you will find positive reviews as well.
post #37 of 52
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Originally Posted by Ski the East View Post
Skier: 5'7", 155-160lbs. advanced male skier. Will ski almost anything, 50deg slopes, tree runs, endless bumps (but not a 50deg tree run or sick terrain requiring air). Technique is focused on mid-speed controlled arcs with quick/short turns.

Terrain: Favorite areas are trees and bumps.

New Skis?: Favor maneuverable and forgiving powder/crud skiing rather than "big mountain" high speed stability and stiffness

174 cm Salomon 1080 Gun 07/08
171 cm Scott P4 07/08
177 cm Stockli Stormrider TT 06/07 or 07/08 (not sure which yr)
171 or 178 cm Rossi Scratch Brigade 07/08
174 cm Rossi Scratch Steeze 07/08 (the fugly bubble gum look and $100-200 more than the other options, but it's supposed to be a great ski)
Forget the Stocklis, too beefy; the Guns are the most maneuverable and fun but will suck on anything hard; the Rossi's are OK but very vanilla like most Rossis and oriented toward freestyle; I'd go for the P4. Some beef to it but very quick, bomber construction, have heard nothing but good stuff about it. Unclear why you'd want the Watea since it isn't very far from what you have now.
post #38 of 52
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Forget the Stocklis, too beefy
Totally not true. I have the Stormrider TT in a 177 and ski in the Adirondacks(Gore & Whiteface). This ski has become one of my favorites because it is so versatile. I use it in anything but boilerplate. This ski has Stockli's Isocore that makes it lively and easy to control and yet still has that Stockli ability to blast through anything with confidence.

In summary, I would not rule this ski out.
post #39 of 52
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Originally Posted by mohrgan View Post
Totally not true. I have the Stormrider TT in a 177 and ski in the Adirondacks(Gore & Whiteface). This ski has become one of my favorites because it is so versatile. I use it in anything but boilerplate. This ski has Stockli's Isocore that makes it lively and easy to control and yet still has that Stockli ability to blast through anything with confidence.

In summary, I would not rule this ski out.
Well, OK, I own/have owned Stocklis too, although not that one, love them mostly, from what I hear the TT is everything you say. BUT he started by emphasizing maneuverable and forgiving, specifically downgraded stability and stiffness. That may not rule out the TT, but IMO it drops it down his list, plus it's not a whole lot wider than stuff he already owns. Why should he get a TT in the middle 90's when he owns a PE?
post #40 of 52
Thanks to all for the input. Sounds like the recommended options are (in no particular order):

Fischer Misfit 177cm 128/94/117 $360 shipped (non TT Watea 94 178cm also an option, dimensions are similar to Misfit)

Salomon 1080 Gun 174cm 130/96/124 $399+shipping (my other skis can handle hard snow, so this ski shouldn't have to)

Scott P4 181cm 134/104/123 $??(tough to find a deal on the 181cm P4)

Stockli Stormrider TT 125/95/115 $550 (approx.) + shipping

Is the P4 good enought that I should hold out, make due with what I already have, and wait for an end-of-season deal?
post #41 of 52
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Originally Posted by Ski the East View Post
Thanks to all for the input. Sounds like the recommended options are (in no particular order):

Fischer Misfit 177cm 128/94/117 $360 shipped (non TT Watea 94 178cm also an option, dimensions are similar to Misfit)

Salomon 1080 Gun 174cm 130/96/124 $399+shipping (my other skis can handle hard snow, so this ski shouldn't have to)

Scott P4 181cm 134/104/123 $??(tough to find a deal on the 181cm P4)

Stockli Stormrider TT 125/95/115 $550 (approx.) + shipping

Is the P4 good enought that I should hold out, make due with what I already have, and wait for an end-of-season deal?
I skied the P4 out in Snowbaisn, a nice ski that (I feel) will be nice in the east even if the snow gets hard. Shame you can't go to a 183, Finn's Goats are in the range you are looking to spend.
post #42 of 52
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Originally Posted by Ski the East View Post
Thanks to all for the input. Sounds like the recommended options are (in no particular order):

Fischer Misfit 177cm 128/94/117 $360 shipped (non TT Watea 94 178cm also an option, dimensions are similar to Misfit)

Salomon 1080 Gun 174cm 130/96/124 $399+shipping (my other skis can handle hard snow, so this ski shouldn't have to)

Scott P4 181cm 134/104/123 $??(tough to find a deal on the 181cm P4)

Stockli Stormrider TT 125/95/115 $550 (approx.) + shipping

Is the P4 good enought that I should hold out, make due with what I already have, and wait for an end-of-season deal?
You said you currently have:

169 cm Atomic Nomad Crimson(86mm) , 164 cm Public Enemies(85mm) , 167 cm Fischer Watea 78 (78mm).

Usually the point of a quiver is to have skis that are substantially different. You have the low snow conditions pretty much covered. Its up to you, but how many more all mountain oriented skis do you want? From your list only the P4 is going to be much different form what you have. So I would start there and look for more similar skis in sizes you can handle. Those might include the gotamas, coomba, districts, prophet100, blowers, and just about any other ski that is10Xmm wide and soft to medium flex. There are tons of them out there. Don't be afraid if it has a rockered tip like the lhasa pow or obseth.

You would get more versatility for the quiver buying this in a 179cm than http://www.sierraskis.com/2008-K2-Ap...ONLY-39270.asp any of thoese 9X waisted skis you listed.

note: FYI the Scott P4 181cm is 108mm under foot.
post #43 of 52
Tks. Philpug and tromano. I will bide my time and look for a deal on the 181cm P4s. Given the current state of the economy (ugh), waiting doesn't sound like a bad idea.
post #44 of 52
Going to have to piggyback on all the great feedback you have already gotten. The class of ski you are looking for seems to lead you to the P4, Gotama, P-100, Coomba. Having skied everything in that group except for the Coomba I truly think its a can't miss. I ski the Gots but could be just as happy with the other two..in fact...I kind of wish I had grabbed the P4s. I found the P-100s actually to be a bit stiffer than the Gots but that was just my impression.

The 181 will ski muc shorter...more like a 176-177...which would work well of you.
post #45 of 52

Try liberty Helix 176 I just got last 187!!

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...=liberty+helix
post #46 of 52
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Not a fan of these skis at all. Skied variations, even at this price point, spend a few bucks more and get some real skis.
post #47 of 52
What didn't you like?
post #48 of 52
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Originally Posted by Ski the East View Post
Tks. Philpug and tromano. I will bide my time and look for a deal on the 181cm P4s. Given the current state of the economy (ugh), waiting doesn't sound like a bad idea.
I saw a posting on TGR for a guy looking to trade his 181s for 191s...http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ighlight=Scott
post #49 of 52
I'm curious about the Helix...I've heard some good things about it. Definitely curious on Philplug's thoughts on why it didn't impress him. Did you mean that there's not a lot of consistency in their production process so you get skies that vary wildly in quality? I didn't totally understand your comment.
post #50 of 52
Like I said I just bought a pair. I've heard a lot of good things myself. I wanted something in the 105 waist and liked the descriptions I've heard of it being light and snappy etc.. I will have a review as soon as Killington opens up.
For what it's worth I've found my opinions on skis more aligned with Freeskier than any other magazine. They seemed to love it and at only 425 thought it worth the risk. We will see. I used to only ski Volkls but many other ski companies are making me happy with great skis these days.

Too Add to the original discussion, You may also want to try Big Trouble by Dynastar.
post #51 of 52
Misfits currently on Tramdock.com for $260.
post #52 of 52
Like Ski-ra, I ended up with a pair of 176 cm Volkl Gotamas. Mine are the '09 version. Thanks to all for the helpful advice.
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