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Technica - Agent 110 Dragon Ski Boot - 2009

post #1 of 23
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Title covers it. I have had limited success finding these boots on the internet. Am I just a little to early for them to be out yet. I have some 3-4 year old Diablo's that will last another season, but the Agent Dragons are suppose to be more of a freeride/backcountry skiing specific boot (and I love the looks) so I may have to get a pair.
If you know of a good hookup, please let me know.
post #2 of 23
bump - anyone? Bueller?
post #3 of 23

Tecnica boot

What size?
post #4 of 23
I have Agent 110's in stock, give me a call or PM.
post #5 of 23
What makes a boot more freeride backcountry specific? Freeride and backcountry are not the same thing. No hinge? No backcountry.

Freeride and racing and all mountain cruising and groomed carving all require the same thing. Good fit, appropriate alignment and flex you like.

If you have that now, there is no reason for new purchase. If you don't have it now, get new boots but manufacturers advertising is not the way to decide on purchase.

Lou
post #6 of 23
The Agent 110 and all the Dragons use the same shell, just softer material depending on the model. The difference comes in the inner boot, and on the Agent 110, the Zeppa, front shin shim and rear calf shim are rubber as opposed to hard composite material. The theory behind all the rubber is to absorb some of the shock from landings, thus it's marketed as a "Freeride" boot.

www.tecnicausa.com is a good source to get your questions answered on the different characterists of the boots.


HB Jr. is sporting a pair of Agent 110's this year. The black goes well with the black carbon fiber of his knee brace.

They are not backcountry (AT) boots.

HB
post #7 of 23
thanks guys. I got fit for boots and overall the fitter said this would be a good boot for my duck-shaped foot (and skiing style)
post #8 of 23
Tecnica Agent AT is their 'touring/ BC/ ___ (cool/hot/happening)term' boot.

The Agent 110 is a nice boot, but as Lou said... fit is what matters (color is a close second).
post #9 of 23
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Originally Posted by ct55 View Post
thanks guys. I got fit for boots and overall the fitter said this would be a good boot for my duck-shaped foot (and skiing style)
So why did you not buy the boots from him?
post #10 of 23
I might do that. I did pay him for the fitting!
post #11 of 23
HOw much did the fitting cost and how long did it take?

Lou
post #12 of 23
it was pretty quick ... I'd rather not go into the charges - pretty good deal though I think and referred by a friend.

It was at the ski show so he didn't have boots there anyway to sell. Fitting is his main business and boots on the side/in addition.

I was mainly looking for feedback on the boot itself, turns out it's kind of new.
post #13 of 23
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I was mainly looking for feedback on the boot itself, turns out it's kind of new.
I bought the new Dragons. Pretty stiff and snug compared to my 3 year old Diablo Fires that have a 90 stiffness. My buddy does more hucking than I and bought the Agent 110s. Neither of us have had them on snow yet. I think the Dragons are going to make a real positive impact on my skiing this season, as they feel like part of my leg when on. There is no wiggle room in those boots. I will let you know in January after I have had them out for a few weeks in different conditions.
post #14 of 23
great well that makes sense. Sounds good - I am getting sold on these boots more I hear about them - can't wait to try a pair on.

My current boots work but my feet are paying the price - they get cold and cramp because I am mashing my forefoot into a toebox that's a bit tight - a result of trying to keep my heel from moving so I downsized it a bit.

But I'm a little tired of that - there's got to be a better way.
post #15 of 23
Regarding the Dragons... Ridiculously cushy inside... almost to the point of being embarrassed to have such a "soft" liner on my foot

I skied the Diablo Pro 130 last year and the Dragons just feel too comfy. I'm curious as to how long the liner will offer a snug fit before it packs out?

Anyhow the 130 is too stiff for me so I'm stepping down into reality and skiing the 100 this year.

cheers,

yakman
post #16 of 23
The most important factor in assesing the fit potential of the Dragon is your shell fit. Plunk your bare foot in the empty shell, shed some light on the situation and peer into the cavern. If it looks like you have a LOT of space around your foot in the midfoot area, it's probably because you do. These boots are pretty roomy and rely on the liner for fit. By contrast, plunk yerself into a Diablo race 110 or Falcon 10 and compare the internal volume. The Dragon is for chunky feet or for those looking for a cushy fit. For those applications, it's pretty good.

For lower volume feet or those looking for high performance fits, I'd call the Dragon a "small dog" fit.

Meaning of course that there's room in there for your foot and a small dog as a fit aid.

SJ
post #17 of 23
I have the dragon 110's and have three days skiing on them. They ski different them my diblo fires....I think they are quicker side to side and the flex seems more progressive.

So far so good.
post #18 of 23
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
The most important factor in assesing the fit potential of the Dragon is your shell fit. Plunk your bare foot in the empty shell, shed some light on the situation and peer into the cavern. If it looks like you have a LOT of space around your foot in the midfoot area, it's probably because you do. These boots are pretty roomy and rely on the liner for fit.The Dragon is for chunky feet or for those looking for a cushy fit. For those applications, it's pretty good.

For lower volume feet or those looking for high performance fits, I'd call the Dragon a "small dog" fit.

Meaning of course that there's room in there for your foot and a small dog as a fit aid.

SJ
Jim, my foot width is a pretty standard D width, I do have higher aches than most with a normal heel/ankle. The dragons are pretty snug on me. The buckle over my arch is on the 1st catch, as on the 2nd catch, my feet go numb after a bit. I love the way the boots feels compared to a 3-4 year old pair of Diablo's, but by no means do I think they are a small dog fit. Frankly, I am counting on them to pack out a bit after a weeks wear so I can tighten them up a tad. They do feel so solid and just part of my foot right now. I think they are going to rock. I will report back later.
post #19 of 23
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
The most important factor in assesing the fit potential of the Dragon is your shell fit. Plunk your bare foot in the empty shell, shed some light on the situation and peer into the cavern. If it looks like you have a LOT of space around your foot in the midfoot area, it's probably because you do. These boots are pretty roomy and rely on the liner for fit. By contrast, plunk yerself into a Diablo race 110 or Falcon 10 and compare the internal volume. The Dragon is for chunky feet or for those looking for a cushy fit. For those applications, it's pretty good.

For lower volume feet or those looking for high performance fits, I'd call the Dragon a "small dog" fit.

Meaning of course that there's room in there for your foot and a small dog as a fit aid.

SJ
Isn't the difference between the Dragon 120 and the Diablo race pro 130, 2mm? 98mm vs 100mm lasts, a-c vs b-d widths. That's a small dog of difference?
post #20 of 23
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Isn't the difference between the Dragon 120 and the Diablo race pro 130, 2mm? 98mm vs 100mm lasts, a-c vs b-d widths. That's a small dog of difference?
Here was me hoping these Dragons might actually be wide. But no, they're only a 100mm last. That's no good at all. I just stretched my GTS12s (102mm) in boiling water - lets see how that works out.
post #21 of 23
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Originally Posted by Grizz View Post
Isn't the difference between the Dragon 120 and the Diablo race pro 130, 2mm? 98mm vs 100mm lasts, a-c vs b-d widths. That's a small dog of difference?
Yes.

Note that I said the midfoot area is roomy. The forefoot area is indeed 2mm wider or thereabouts. 100 mm is pretty big and that number is a fairly small part of the total fit equation. The Race Pro tapers quickly toward a narrowish heel and is fairly low volume in the critical midfoot/navicular area. The Dragon is roomier by quite a bit in that fit zone than the Race Pros and Dobermans.

Also note that I said the Dragon is a nice fit for a chunky foot. It will offer a reasonable performance fit for that type of foot. For a more medium foot, it would provide a cushy fit, but performance would be secondary.

SJ
post #22 of 23
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
Also note that I said the Dragon is a nice fit for a chunky foot. It will offer a reasonable performance fit for that type of foot. For a more medium foot, it would provide a cushy fit, but performance would be secondary.SJ
Here is hoping I have a chunky foot in your opinion.
post #23 of 23
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Tecnica Dragon 120 reviewed

Ok, first me.
I am 5'10" and 190 lbs. 6th season back to skiing after many years off. In my book I am a level 6 skier, though some may say a little better than that, whatever. I have skied the Diablo Fires for the previous 3 seasons which I believe were a 90 flex. My foot description is above.

Last season, I felt my boots were just feeling to sloppy/loose in the top of the arch/ankle area. My skis often felt like they were being pushed around when in deeper snow and especially when in tracked out snow with big deflection points in my path.

The Dragons changed all that. In my first 3 days on them, 2 were serious powder days and I skied the most controlled that I have ever skied deep powder. Now part of that is likely that I went up to a 191 powder ski from a 179 last season, but at all times there was no sloppiness in how the boot felt. I tracked smoothly through the snow with no deflection when hitting some pretty tracked out conditions. The third day was a performance day as the conditions went from very soft to Mammoth wind blown firm powder conditions. I put on my Thunders and honestly, for my 3rd day back on snow this season, just blew up.

I am uncertain if it was the perfect conditions, the boots, the skis or all 3, but I had an EPIC day. The snow was firmer on top, but you could break through the crust and find yourself in 2-3 feet of soft snow if you slowed down. There were lots of deflection points as the snow was pretty cut up in areas. Frankly, last season these conditions caused me problems on the same skis and that day I just ripped (for me) as my boots just kept the skis tracking where I wanted to go, so I could keep my speed up, and not break through the snows crust. I was in wind buff heaven.

The bad news is each day I would feel my toes getting cold (it was 14 degrees out) from I believe lack of circulation. I would take a 15 minute break in the morning after a few hours and again at lunch to loosen the boots and let some blood in. Oddly enough, the 3 hours after lunch I never had the same feeling and all was good. These boots fit very snug all around my foot. The heel/Achilles fit is really snug and there is no sloppiness in the fit in the boot at all. I think with a few more days on them, the liner will pack down a bit more and my toes will get a bit more blood to them, there for, no more cold/numb big toe.

On groomers or anything firm, these boots made skiing a real joy. Just lean into the shin of the boot and I was craving as good as I every have even with my Goliaths on (109 under boot powder ski).

In summary, a pair of boots that fits you well with no sloppiness in it makes a world of difference. I had no adjusting done to these by a boot fitter. For my foot, the Tecnica brand is pretty much perfect out of the box. I love these boots.
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