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Eastern Mid-Fat Recommendation

post #1 of 28
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I've been thinking about getting a mid-fat ski for skiing in the east to add to my quiver (Dynastar Course GS skis and Nordica Doberman SC skis). There seems to be some good deals on 2007 and 2008 skis. I've been looking at 2007 Legend 8000s, 2008 Rossi B83s or Nordica Hot Rod Afterburners. Not sure if the D-star Mythic Riders are suitable for eastern conditions or not.


I'm 6' and weigh 185 lbs and consider myself to be a strong advanced skier. Any thoughts, suggestions or opinions on a good mid-fat ski for eastern powder days and afternoon cruising would be appreciated.

Thanks.
post #2 of 28
I really liked last years Nordica Top Fuel. Skied it on a number of days in mixed conditions, and it was a ski I kept going back for. Skied like a narrower waisted ski on the hardpack, and the 78 waist really plowed through the crud with little effort. Surprisingly nimble in the trees for a beefy ski, and great fun for cruising the hardpack. My only complaint was that they were a little heavy, and probaly not the best choice for someone that skis a lot of bumps, but for everything else, they really lit it up. Just instilled a lot of confidence. Great one ski quiver for the East, IMO.
post #3 of 28
I have owned the 8000s and have a pair of Afterburners. Both handled new snow well but I found the ABs to be much a better do anything pretty well ski. They certainly hold an edge in firm snow much better. Neither will float much on a deep day but I'm guessing that's not too important to you. The AB shines in cut up mixed conditions. I haven't looked recently but last fall you could get a new pair w/ bindings for sub $400 making them a serious bargain.
post #4 of 28
I am a big fan of Dynastar Legend 8000 for the east coast. It has vertical sidewalls, wood and titanial sandwich construction. OTOH, I consider that foam that Rossi uses in the B3 as crap. If you consider the Legend 8000, let me know. I can get you a pair of new 178s ('06-'07) for $250 + ship.
post #5 of 28
Go with the K2 Recons! Amazing in crud and cut up powder, and even better when ripping on groomers in the afternoon. Many like to think of K2 as a West Coast, powder oriented company, but the Recons definitely hold their own in Eastern terrain.
post #6 of 28
I would definitely recommend the Legend 8000
post #7 of 28
I'm in 100% agreement with skieast on the Recons. Besides powder and crud, they are great for plowing through the bumps that build up from man-made snow and feel like piles of beach sand. However, I would definitely demo any ski you intend to buy to ensure you like the feel AND choose the right length.
post #8 of 28
I bought the Volkl AC40 two years ago when I lived in the Midwest and LOVE them. I took them West several times (Whistler, Vail, Breck) and they did just fine...except for the big dumps. I would HIGHLY recommend trying these out b/c you seem to big a relatively powerful skiier. These skis excel with someone that can move them around. Everyone I saw on the hill with the AC40s loved them.

I see that Volkl has a new AC50 coming out this year and a ski called the Grizzly as well...check both of them out. And please demo before you buy b/c no matter what anyone says, only you know how each ski feels under your feet.
post #9 of 28
BHallDDS makes a good point. The skis you are asking about are easier to flex than the skis you presently have in your quiver.

If you're looking for a midfat that is closer to what you appear to be used to, try the AC30/AC40, or the Top Fuels that MAC suggested. The Top Fuel has a 78 mm waist (like the Recon), the Jet Fuel is the Afterburner with a layer or two of titanium/al. The Nitrous (which I recommend as a softer ski below) is the Top Fuel without the layer(s) of titanium/al.

If you're looking for something that's a bit easier to flex, the 8000 and the Nordica Nitrous are good choices.

I recently purchased the Fischer Watea 78's. I am lighter than you are and was looking for a ski that is relatively easy to flex. I do not agree with the claim in Skiing's '09 Gear Guide that the Watea 78's are relatively stout skis.

I have not skied the Recons, so I can't say how they compare to the other skis listed above. However, I love my K2 PE's. They are also an option that you might consider along with the 8000's and Nitrous. Mine are mounted 3 cm back from "core center." They are primarily for all mountain use, with some park thrown in on days when the groomers are the only option available.
post #10 of 28
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Originally Posted by SkiNut View Post
I've been thinking about getting a mid-fat ski for skiing in the east to add to my quiver (Dynastar Course GS skis and Nordica Doberman SC skis). There seems to be some good deals on 2007 and 2008 skis. I've been looking at 2007 Legend 8000s, 2008 Rossi B83s or Nordica Hot Rod Afterburners. Not sure if the D-star Mythic Riders are suitable for eastern conditions or not.


I'm 6' and weigh 185 lbs and consider myself to be a strong advanced skier. Any thoughts, suggestions or opinions on a good mid-fat ski for eastern powder days and afternoon cruising would be appreciated.

Thanks.
I either own or have a reasonable amount of time on most of what you're thinking about, and until the past 3-5 years was primarily a least coast skier.

It really depends on what you're looking for - The Mythics will work perfect on those 8-10 days of the season with really excellent conditions when you have some open space. If you manage to get to the dumps, you'll be estatic you have them and never look back.

You may also want to think about the previous MR, the 8800, as I think they're better for most EC conditions. I left my MR's with a buddy at Whistler, and kept my 8800's here.

If you want more daily use and go off-piste and trees at least a solid 50%, then the 8k's are the machine. I like the Top Fuel's a lot too, but they're more in-bounds than the 8k's - if you're 70 in-30 out, they might be a better choice. The Jet Fuels I thought were ponderous, but I think that was tune on the pair I had.

The AC30/40's are better than the B2-3's for sure, but a solid notch down from MR's, 8k's, TF's in my book. As my German colleague said to me late on a day - "give me the AC40's back (he was on my 8800's), they're not so lively and my legs are tired". If you like "damp", the Volkl's are OK.

The Recon is like a OK ski on novocane - everything happens so slooooooooly - life in slow motion (and I've been a K2 fan for 30 years). Have to work hard to get the fun that any of the above will give you all day snaking on the snow Last choice for sure.

You have to tell what you want in terrain and conditions for your midfats before any accurate answer is available.
post #11 of 28
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Originally Posted by snofun3 View Post
The Recon is like a OK ski on novocane - everything happens so slooooooooly - life in slow motion (and I've been a K2 fan for 30 years). Have to work hard to get the fun that any of the above will give you all day snaking on the snow Last choice for sure.
I find the Recon to be fast and VERY easy to turn in powder and crud, as well as in bumps. Ditto when I'm cruising if I put it up on high edge. Maybe it has something to do with the length (I'm on 167s and last year weighed 140 pounds) or binding mounting position. Frankly, I've never owned a ski that was more fun under a variety of conditions.

Try before you buy.
post #12 of 28
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Originally Posted by bl2000 View Post
I'm in 100% agreement with skieast on the Recons. Besides powder and crud, they are great for plowing through the bumps that build up from man-made snow and feel like piles of beach sand. However, I would definitely demo any ski you intend to buy to ensure you like the feel AND choose the right length.
What length is the right length for a level 3, 200lbs?
post #13 of 28
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Originally Posted by SkiNut View Post
I've been thinking about getting a mid-fat ski for skiing in the east to add to my quiver (Dynastar Course GS skis and Nordica Doberman SC skis). There seems to be some good deals on 2007 and 2008 skis. I've been looking at 2007 Legend 8000s, 2008 Rossi B83s or Nordica Hot Rod Afterburners. Not sure if the D-star Mythic Riders are suitable for eastern conditions or not.


I'm 6' and weigh 185 lbs and consider myself to be a strong advanced skier. Any thoughts, suggestions or opinions on a good mid-fat ski for eastern powder days and afternoon cruising would be appreciated.

Thanks.
I can only state my own experience, having demoed the Mythic Riders near the end of the season in spring skiing conditions. I found them a lot of fun in difficult snow - and I bought a pair - but I also have carvers. Next season I'll find out how they do on harder snow. They're the widest under foot of any skis I've ever used, and I at first was intimidated by that. I found that they actually made skiing easier and sacrificed little if anything on shorter turns. If these work out on harder snow, then the 88 mm width may be my all around skis in the Mythic or if I'm really, reall lucky - the
Kästle MX88.
post #14 of 28
Blazzard 8.1's

it's that easy
post #15 of 28
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Originally Posted by Max Capacity View Post
Blazzard 8.1's

it's that easy
Leaving Volkl for Blizzard?
post #16 of 28
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
Leaving Volkl for Blizzard?
Well.... according to the rep at the Demo Day, most of Volkl's designers now make the blizzard line. They felt just like my AC40's only lighter when you carry them.

I also came from Dynastar G9's back in the day, so I'm thinking it's an easy transition.

I haven't jumped ship yet...
post #17 of 28
What Max said.
There are many great skis out there, but Blizzard is definitely making some of the best of the best these days!
post #18 of 28
My short list:

1. Head i.Monster 82 (get it tuned first, tho)
2. Head i.Monster 78 (same as above)
3. Atomic Nomad Crimson
4. Blizzard Magnum 8.1
5. Dynastar Contact 4x4
6. Völkl AC40
7. Völkl AC30

I'd steer clear of the Dynastar Legend skis for eastern hardpack, as it's certainly not the most confidence-inspiring ride (the Legends were definitely designed for big western and Alpine mountains).

And I'm at odds over the K2 Apache Recon. It's a fine ski, but I've not skied a K2 in years that has good grip on eastern-style hardpack (the Patriots were the last ones, and they paled compared to their earlier offerings, back when they sponsored World Cup racers). The Recon is a fantastic ski if the snow is pliable, and it'll make-do on the hardpack, but it's not confidence inspiring compared to the alternatives.
post #19 of 28
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What length is the right length for a level 3, 200lbs?
I'm 150 pounds and happy on 167s (which are really equivalent to a 170+). For your weight, definitely the 174 or 181.

By the way, the Recon edge hold depends on how well the bindings are set into the channels on the skis. There can be a little slop there, which will definitely compromise hold. Make sure the pair you get don't have this problem (that is the binding rocks back and forth a bit on the ski).

I also use a 2 degree bevel.

Hope this helps.
post #20 of 28
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I've been looking at 2007 Legend 8000s, 2008 Rossi B83s or Nordica Hot Rod Afterburners.
I demo'd these skis last spring - you can read my review @ http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=69366.

As you'll see I thought the AB's were amazing (even though, at 170cm, they were too much ski for a 130 lbs pilot). If you're an aggessive, athletic skier you'll probably love them (or any of the other Nordica Hot Rod models discussed in this thread).

Simply put I don't think the 8K's and B83's are in the same league as the AB's.

OTOH - if you are more of a finesse skier (or want something softer than the rest of your quiver) then you might like the Watea 78's (sort of an "east coast" version of the skis I liked the best in the test - the Watea 84's). Also, while I didn't test them, the Head IM78's also get high marks from EpicSkiers for your intended purpose.
post #21 of 28
I'm 225lbs, 5'11 . Ski Stratton in Vermont 80% of the time. I've been doing research on ski's for a couple weeks now. I'm trying to find a ski that will have some forgivingness and isn't too stiff so I can perform in steep moguls, in the tree's but then rip the hardpack / ice.

A couple ski's I'm considering right now (College student = Budget)
Nordica Nitrous
Monster iM 77

I'm not sure what length to get either. The monsters are only around in 170 or 177 and I haven't checked out the Nitrous sizes

Any and all help would be great

Cheers,
Brendan
post #22 of 28
I would recommend the Blizzard Magnum 8.7 over the next best Magnum 8.1, as the 8.7 is burlier, and won't give up anything to the 8.1...
You won't find any end of season deals since these are 2009 models, but you could make this your ONE ski.....

If interested, check with ptex1, Alpine High, Billings, MT for best selection, prices, and advice...

WAWAWAWA!



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Originally Posted by SkiNut View Post
I've been thinking about getting a mid-fat ski for skiing in the east to add to my quiver (Dynastar Course GS skis and Nordica Doberman SC skis). There seems to be some good deals on 2007 and 2008 skis. I've been looking at 2007 Legend 8000s, 2008 Rossi B83s or Nordica Hot Rod Afterburners. Not sure if the D-star Mythic Riders are suitable for eastern conditions or not.


I'm 6' and weigh 185 lbs and consider myself to be a strong advanced skier. Any thoughts, suggestions or opinions on a good mid-fat ski for eastern powder days and afternoon cruising would be appreciated.

Thanks.
post #23 of 28
Nobody recommending the new Elan Magfire 82xti or ti ... or the 78? I haven't been on them yet, but can't wait to ride 'em cause all reports are very positive.
post #24 of 28
Of the skis you mentioned, Afterburners. Of everything out there from last season, Blizzard Cronus, Mojo 90, Atomic Crimson Nomad in that order. Cronus will be good everywhere, best in bumps, crud, and changing turn radius midstream; Mojo will be best for soft snow, trees, and pow; Nomad will be best groomer cruiser and for long radius higher speed arcs. IMO anything below 84/85 is too close to what you've got.
post #25 of 28
Get the Blizzard Magnum 8.7 or 8.1, or Cronus if you go west a lot..

done and DONE!
post #26 of 28
Will I overpower the Magnum 8.1 at 230lbs?
post #27 of 28
I don't think you will overpower the 179cm 8.1, but I would recommend the 8.7 @ 181cms...

Check with ptex1 @ Alpine High, Billings, MT...
He's 230# and owned and skied the 174cm, which I bought from him, and at 155# this is ideal for me....

The 8.7 is burlier than the 8.1...

nfp158





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Will I overpower the Magnum 8.1 at 230lbs?
post #28 of 28
What about the Armada ARV? Does anyone have any experience with it?
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