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Advice from the Stockli experts...XL vs XXL?

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
I'm hoping some of you long time stockli experts can help me decide on my new hardsnow performer for this year. After researching the boards I'm pretty much sold on the Stockli Stormrider XL or XXL.

I'm a CO rockies skier, 220 lb 6'1 expert. Current quiver is a Volkl Mantra and a Katana for really deep days. I'm looking to add something that is much more hardsnow biased, good all mountain carver that still hit the bumps. Essentially something more fun when the snow is lacking.

I just can't decide between the 80mm wasted XXL in 186 or the 75mm waisted XL in a 184. The XXL has a synthetic core and I understand a more even flex, whereas the XL I believe has a stiffer overall flex.

Any help is greatly appreciated. I'm torn.
post #2 of 14
Have both (XL and XXL), but my hard snow ski is the Laser SC (63mm). The XXL is no noodle, the flex is very progressive. It skis like a fat GS, i.e. loves to go fast and likes medium/big turns; although it can be swung around quickly. Try to demo both if you can, but given your weight and height, IMO the XXL will be more versitile and will probably replace the Mantra on medium deep days (boot to knee deep).
post #3 of 14
Buy the XXL if you want a really good all around ski. "Good all mountain carver that can still hit the bumps" = XXL

Buy the XL if you want an 'all mountain GS' ski. High speeds or Really high speeds and great grip = XL.
post #4 of 14
I assume you are talking about the XL with wood core. Is the XL ED with Iso core closer to the XXL in character given that it has the Iso Core as well? I am considering the XL vs XXL as well and this would certainly make things clearer.
post #5 of 14
XL is a bit unforgiving in bumps - manageable if you've got good technique of course.
post #6 of 14
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by allan o'neil View Post
I assume you are talking about the XL with wood core.
Yes indeed, the XL with the wood core, not the lighter ED.

The XXL has a sythetic core as well, which I'm guessing is what accounts for its light weight. I have always steered away from synethic cores in favor of wood, but I feel safe putting my faith in Stockli.
post #7 of 14
I think the so called synthetic core in the XXL is a verical laminate, which includes termite fodder. My XXLs have now had some pretty hard skiing since acquiring them last year (back country, on piste, and plenty of off piste, including Kashmir) and they are still as tight as the day I got them. Only change has been to swap the Freeride + bindings for Dukes.
post #8 of 14
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the input, this really helps.

Taxman, whiteroom. Do you guys have any recommendations on mountin position on these two skis? On the line?

I heard a few rumblings about forward mounting these sticks +1cm.

I will be looking at the 07/08 or 08/09 models. I dont believe there were any changes on these.
post #9 of 14
My XL and XXL are mounted at +1. I was skiing them in boot/knee deep ungroomed last weekend and they didn't suffer from any tip dive (just stay centred). If in doubt try mounting them with an adjustable binding such as Vist Speedock are Tyrolia Railflex.
post #10 of 14
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Originally Posted by bucking bronco View Post
XL is a bit unforgiving in bumps - manageable if you've got good technique of course.

I LOVE my XLs in the bumps and would highly recommend them
post #11 of 14
I also love my XLs in the bumps and I mount them on the mark, not 1 cm forward.
post #12 of 14
Another vote for the XL; my 174's are mounted at the line, fit Whitehouse's description but are fine in bumps, preternaturally smooth in crud and rough ice. Can't speak to the XXL, but I found the Rotor (similar construction) a bit nervous at speed for a Stockli.
post #13 of 14
On the XL; I was skiing in a team GS style race on the weekend. A friend, who is an excellent skier, who normally skis Dynastar Course 63 borrowed my Stormrider XL's (I was on my Laser SC's). He posted times of 56 and 57 seconds for the two runs for a 12th overall against some excellent competition, including ex and potential Australian Winter Olympians. He is now trying to steal my XLs.
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